U-turn on mandatory Covid vaccinations for NHS and social care workers

[WineGetsMeThroughIt]

Apparently this will be announced tomorrow. Thank god there's some sense coming back into this world

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/01/30/front-line-health-staff-no-longer-need-covid-vaccines/

I think it's a poor decision. And most likely will become part of the mandatory vaccinations HCW will need to be able to work.

@caringcarer

I am sorry if medical and care staff don't get vaccinated. I would not want to be treated by an anti vaxer.

Same.

I think the mandate was common sense.

None of these people were bothered about the vaccinations required for their employment in healthcare when they took their jobs, the covid vaccine should be no different.

Whilst some NHS workers fall into that category, most do not. Many are young, healthy, and at relatively low personal risk of serious illness with covid. I still think they'd be better off vaccinated (I'm enthusiastically triple jabbed) but if the argument is we're mandating vaccination for individual protection, reducing mortality, and cutting the burden on the NHS, then we're targetting the wrong groups.

The problem is that vaccination programmes don't work effectively without a high uptake. It's clear that the sizeable group of antivaxxers have succeeded in undermining its efficacy at least to some extent.

Fingers crossed this is true and happens first thing tomorrow

Fantastic news. I'm not an NHS worker; but have always been rooting for them, and passionately opposed to the mandates. Bodily autonomy trumps all in my view. If the mandates had gone ahead, it would have had worrying implications for all of us, going forward.
I have empathy for vulnerable people worried about this too, as they're scared, and that fear has been exploited by the powers that be. But, I know NHS workers test regularly, wear PPE, and stay away if they have symptoms. I don't believe patients are being put at further risk by this soon-to-be announcement. The opposite in fact, as there'll be more HCPs available to actually treat patients. Understaffing would have been the biggest risk factor to patients

Thank God.

I was. pressured into having one last year as my specialist nursing role is in residential units and care homes.

I now have potentially life long neurological problems (yes, confirmed to be due to the vaccine, confirmed to be seen in the vaccine I had, it’s not all in my head like some people like to make out), and no exemption for me as the official line is I can just have another make which obviously, I am unwilling to do seeing as I am still having ongoing care, so no second jab, no job many way and a life ruined for nothing.

I am very happy that some other poor sod won’t have the potential to end up like me.

@Sloughsabigplace I'm so sorry that you've been harmed in the way you describe. Thank you for caring about others

Good - although a tad late, a humiliating uturn yet again!

This was always going to happen.

It was nothing more than a bullying tactic that has backfired. The NHS was never going to survive such a staff shortage if it went ahead and all this retraction does is demonstrate just how stupid the Government are.

Thank God for the back track and I hope all those staff who have already been forced into having their vaccines for no other reason than the fear of losing their job don’t let this lie.

@ToooutThere

you just have to look at how this tyranny is about to crumble as the world is finally waking up ... amazing to see what's going on in every corner of the globe these last few days, e.g. Canada Trucker Freedom Convoy, freedom marches in Paris, Brussels, London, the Czech Republic challenging central Europe’s vaccine and lockdown measures. It's liberating to see people finally coming to their senses.

What that tinfoil hat. Bit windy today.

@WanderingFruitWonderer

*@Sloughsabigplace* I'm so sorry that you've been harmed in the way you describe. Thank you for caring about others

Honestly, I didn’t have it for others.

I had it as I was in the middle of getting a mortgage and couldn’t find another job for love nor money. I didn’t have a choice at the time. I didn’t want one. I’ve seen some problems (again, confined) in my patients who declined after their vaccines.

The people I nursed had been double jabbed if they wanted to (some didn’t want to be). I was happy to take very regular tests.

I was pressured into it like many other people.

Vaccine injury is hushed up and covered up. The press practically salivate over people who are unvaccinated and end up very ill or die from covid but these are never reported on.

I am in a lot of support groups with NHS workers. For everyone that comes on here claiming to be a nurse/dr and never having seen a problem arise from the vaccine, their are others who have and that why they will not have one.

*lots of typos and errors, another sleepless night here, sorry.

PAFMO the media isn’t showing these protests but they are massive.

In some parts of Canada the mandates meant 12 year old couldn’t attend sports clubs. In Italy unvaxxed people can’t even board public transport. Let’s not start on Germany and Austria

The media in the UK is NOT reporting most of this.

The Canadian truckers have been travelling for a week!

It is against biggest human principles to bodily autonomy that people cannot live their lives without a medical injection

That said injection does not prevent transmission makes this even more questionable

Nuremberg was put in place after the war to prevent forced medical treatment happening ever again - and this includes treatment by forms of coercion. This has been utterly abandoned.

None of these people were bothered about the vaccinations required for their employment in healthcare when they took their jobs, the covid vaccine should be no different.

It is different. Those vaccines are generally longer established vaccines, protecting from the risk of long-term harm to the health care worker as well as others. For most people of working age covid is unpleasant and can be very dangerous but not quite in the same league as Hep B. Especially as many HCP have already had covid. Going forward maybe they will put it into the contracts that staff may be required to take any vaccines the government deem fit but that is different to changing things part way through employment. If the person is uncomfortable signing up for that they can choose a different career. Very different requiring a career change when you are mid career.

Triple vaxed but think others should have bodily autonomy.

@Thievesoil

PAFMO the media isn’t showing these protests but they are massive.

In some parts of Canada the mandates meant 12 year old couldn’t attend sports clubs. In Italy unvaxxed people can’t even board public transport. Let’s not start on Germany and Austria

The media in the UK is NOT reporting most of this.

The Canadian truckers have been travelling for a week!

It is against biggest human principles to bodily autonomy that people cannot live their lives without a medical injection

That said injection does not prevent transmission makes this even more questionable

Nuremberg was put in place after the war to prevent forced medical treatment happening ever again - and this includes treatment by forms of coercion. This has been utterly abandoned.

Truckers all round the world are also following suit.

European convoy is set to go to Brussels.

Australia too. Brazil.

And let’s not forget that Justin Trudeau has gone into hiding, which is hilarious (his weak excuse was that he had come into contact with a positive case, he was negative but was doing the right thing).

But hey, it’s just a handful of “far right” people.

One day, we will all be glad that people like them stood up for our rights.

"The Canadian truckers have been travelling for a week!"

What makes you think that the antivaxxers are truckers?

Really disappointed if this is true

I think most NHS and care workers had Covid three times over before vaccines came out. So I don't blame those who refused it.

Spend money getting more NHS and care staff in and trained, instead of sacking them all. That will fix the NHS.

Thank you to all of the brave men and women who held out against the vaccine and attended the protests. If you hadn't other groups would be next. Then the requirement to be double jabbed would become a requirement to be boosted every year for covid and flu - regardless of the efficacy of those 'vaccines'. The NHS apart from anything else can't afford this level of continuous testing and jabbing against what is a mild disease for most. By all means use a fraction of the billions wasted on these programmes to protect the vulnerable - better ventilation for example in care homes, more staff, better diets. Why is there no money for these basic things but billions for corrupt drug companies selling a substandard ineffective and now out of date product.

Good news. I know a nurse who is unvaccinated and was planning on becoming an aesthetics practitioner (Botox, fillers etc) if she got sacked. Would have been such a shame.

Unvaccinated isnt synonymous with anti vaxer. Its never that straight forward, there is always nuance.

@Aishah231

Thank you to all of the brave men and women who held out against the vaccine and attended the protests. If you hadn't other groups would be next. Then the requirement to be double jabbed would become a requirement to be boosted every year for covid and flu - regardless of the efficacy of those 'vaccines'. The NHS apart from anything else can't afford this level of continuous testing and jabbing against what is a mild disease for most. By all means use a fraction of the billions wasted on these programmes to protect the vulnerable - better ventilation for example in care homes, more staff, better diets. Why is there no money for these basic things but billions for corrupt drug companies selling a substandard ineffective and now out of date product.

Yeah, totally agree with this! Thank you to everyone who has stood up against this tyranny. Feeling so happy this morning!

[quote Scottishflower65]@caringcarer
Very much doubt they are anti vaxers. Probably have all their vaxs except something brought in under emergency use only rules with no long term data and several short term document ‘ admitted side effects by then sometimes causing death / severe short and long term effects vac. From companies you can wiki easily with huge payouts for bad side effects. Wake up![/quote]
Heh, did you memorise that?

This seems like a sensible and pragmatic decision. It would have been madness to continue with it, especially given that vaccines don't seem to be particularly effective at stopping transmission.

@Sloughsabigplace oh, I didn't mean that. Sorry, I didn't word my comment very well. When I said thank you for caring for others, I was referring to last section of your first post, saying you didn't want others to go through what you had. It's lovely that you're thinking of others, rather than just focusing on the impact it's had on you personally
I'm not an anti-vaxxer at all btw, and I think it's been a great thing for some people, especially those in a vulnerable category. But the pressure for everyone to take it, and the lack of nuance in the discussion, has been very concerning. I've detected a change in public mood generally recently, but that could be a spot of good ol'confirmation bias on my part!