Deaths from Covid alone in 2020 = 9,400

[Whydidimarryhim]

There has been a freedom of information release from the Office of National Statistics (ONS) - Jan 7th 22
There data show that total deaths from Covid in 2020 - this is the number of deaths from adults who had NO underlying issues ie heart disease/diabetes etc - the total No is 9400.
From Jan 2021 to Sept 2021 the total deaths from Covid alone - was 0-64 age range = 2225 and 65+ 5746. All this is for England and Wales
This information is on utube from Dr John Campbell - He has been covering Covid since late 2019.
What is interesting is that this info hasn’t been on the news.

@riveted1, our entire response to the Covid pandemic has been based on a false premise. There will be real world consequences for that.

It's very possible the cure has been worse than the disease.

[quote doublemonkey]@riveted1, our entire response to the Covid pandemic has been based on a false premise. There will be real world consequences for that.

It's very possible the cure has been worse than the disease.[/quote]
It really hasn't - what do you believe this "false premise" to be?

It's crazy that this is still being claimed when we have 2 years worth of data.

It's very possible the cure has been worse than the disease.
Nope - we know this to be not the case.

We also now have SajidJavid comparing Covid to the flu, something many of us have been saying for the last two years and we've been demonised for that.

@doublemonkey

We also now have SajidJavid comparing Covid to the flu, something many of us have been saying for the last two years and we've been demonised for that.

What is different between now and two years ago @doublemonkey?

His view isn't that of the entire scientific community, but most people agree we are at least moving towards a society where we can treat SARS-COV-2 like 'flu.

This certainly wasn't the case in 2020/2021.

@doublemonkey

so what do you think was false?

@doublemonkey

We also now have SajidJavid comparing Covid to the flu, something many of us have been saying for the last two years and we've been demonised for that.

Him saying it doesn't make it right!

The chances of an average, healthy person of any age dying from Covid is infinitessimal. Like, a .001% chance.

Given that data, vaccine mandates make no sense. Vaccinating kids makes no sense.

Here's Dr. John Campbell's video on the stats if anyone is interested.

@truthfullylying

No, but the statistics do make it right.

These are accurate statistics. Because they show a % of people die of X alone and another % of people die of X + Y and/or Z.

In fact it’s good for societal management, in a way. We now know more, for example, about which conditions intersect with covid to produce worse outcomes. (And continue to learn all the time.) This helps all kinds of things; awareness, prevention, treatment.

No one’s been ‘sold a lie’ here. We have a growing and evolving knowledge base, which is different.

If you eliminate everyone with any underlying condition for the stats then the death rate is really low. HOWEVER, most of the people with underlying conditions that died with covid wouldn't have died with the underlying condition when properly managed!

YABVVU

So, if you are young, a perfect weight, fit, and free of any conditions like asthma, diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure, an autoimmune disease, or basically any "pre-existing health issues, just crack on because you're alright Jack (or Jill).

As for the vast majority of us, too bad, so sad. Survival of the fittest and all that.

I get that this attitude will never go away. I had words with DH when he brought this up last night, and he is far above the age-risk cut offs.

[quote doublemonkey]The chances of an average, healthy person of any age dying from Covid is infinitessimal. Like, a .001% chance.

Given that data, vaccine mandates make no sense. Vaccinating kids makes no sense.

Here's Dr. John Campbell's video on the stats if anyone is interested.

[/quote] @doublemonkey

You're just flinging out statements that you cannot back up, and then never reply when people point this out.

For your most recent ones...

The chances of an average, healthy person of any age dying from Covid is infinitessimal. Like, a .001% chance.
This has been dicussed many times.

Death is not the only poor outcome from COVID.
People don't just die, they require hospital care for a relatively long time period.
Many are left with long term complications
A tiny proportion translates to huge numbers when you are considering something that effects the entire population.

Vaccinating kids makes no sense.

The benefit/risk profile demonstrates that it is clearly better for children aged 12 and up to be vaccinated.

Here's Dr. John Campbell's video
Why are you quoting John Campbell? He is not a scientist, nor an epidemiologist, and this is evident in his videos which are full of really basic errors and misinterpretations. Why ignore all the well qualified people who do comment on these stats, but repeatedly post from someone known to promote junk science?

[quote doublemonkey]@truthfullylying

No, but the statistics do make it right.[/quote]
Again, you seem to be ignoring the comment that comparing coroanvirus to 'flu now is entirely different to comparing it to 'flu in 2020.

We also now have SajidJavid comparing Covid to the flu, something many of us have been saying for the last two years and we've been demonised for that.

What is different between now and two years ago @doublemonkey?

His view isn't that of the entire scientific community, but most people agree we are at least moving towards a society where we can treat SARS-COV-2 like 'flu.

This certainly wasn't the case in 2020/2021

I thought this Twitter thread was quite good on these particular ONS stats.

twitter.com/monkemma/status/1484562988929634311?s=21

Also getting a vaccine isn’t all me-me-me. There’s a net benefit to society of people being vaccinated against any transmissible illnesses. Its benefit extends beyond the vaccinated person.

I have been puzzling over those stats anyway. How exactly do they have the data to determine someone had nothing wrong other than covid? It seems rather beyond the pale considering the numbers who were sick and dying.

I’ve not read the whole thread so don’t know if anyone has already said this.
Say 80% of people who died of covid had an underlying health condition. If 80% of the population also have an underlying health condition then this data is meaningless as it basically reflects the makeup of the population. Of course it won’t be this simple as some health conditions make your more likely to die of covid but you get my point. A large percentage of the population have “underlying health conditions “ as it includes a myriad of conditions including obesity and also for example depression and migraine I believe which are very common.

No 'diagnosed' underlying health condition surely? Unless they did a PM on them all they wouldn't know. Many will have had one, but just not known. Millions in the same boat. Even gingivitis is a chronic inflammatory condition.

@LoveFall

I have been puzzling over those stats anyway. How exactly do they have the data to determine someone had nothing wrong other than covid? It seems rather beyond the pale considering the numbers who were sick and dying.

It comes off death certificate data. The relevant doctor records primary causes of death and also other underlying conditions.

If you want to discover whether certain conditions make you more vulnerable to Covid then you can compare deaths with those conditions to the share of the population with those conditions - making sure to band by age.

@NightmareSlashDelightful I am on various fitness groups and breaking bones happens frequently in highly fit and young people. My broken bone was a pure accident and I don't think any of my other conditions are related at all.

Here's an excellent rebuttal of the position of the OP:

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1485570730867765251.html

Here's an excellent rebuttal of the position of the OP: / threadreaderapp.com/thread/1485570730867765251.html

It's certainly a passionate rebuttal.

But it's quite difficult to see through the passion, and get to the point he's making, and the reasons that underpin it.

If I were minded to take OP's position at face value, I very much doubt his rebuttal would give me pause to reconsider.