Deaths from Covid alone in 2020 = 9,400

[Whydidimarryhim]

There has been a freedom of information release from the Office of National Statistics (ONS) - Jan 7th 22
There data show that total deaths from Covid in 2020 - this is the number of deaths from adults who had NO underlying issues ie heart disease/diabetes etc - the total No is 9400.
From Jan 2021 to Sept 2021 the total deaths from Covid alone - was 0-64 age range = 2225 and 65+ 5746. All this is for England and Wales
This information is on utube from Dr John Campbell - He has been covering Covid since late 2019.
What is interesting is that this info hasn’t been on the news.

Most "underlying conditions" will not lead to death but are perfectly manageable , so what is the point of your post OP?

Look at the attached list, compiled by a doctor showing recorded underlying conditions. They include ANYTHING the patient had previous treatment for, including, for example, broken bones.

[quote hamstersarse]@ollyollyoxenfree

You mentioned one of the reasons you shouldn’t listen to him is because he’s making loads of cash. It was your point not mine, so was interested to see if you actually had numbers. You have some estimates, that’s fine.

But that as a point as to why you shouldn’t listen to him is neutral[/quote]
I never said anyone shouldn't listen to him - I'm pointing out the issues with his content.

I disagree that it is neutral though - the more controverial the video, the more money he makes. He is therefore highly incentivised to produce content that is going to rack up views on places like bitchute, and is entirely untransparent about this fact.

Second slide

Do you think eradicating it was possible?

Yes I do but the red button has to be pressed early. As a world we manage to extinguish Ebola when that raises its head, although Ebola is less contagious than covid. Unfortunately there is a disincentive for countries to raise a red flag early on new diseases because it brings economic hardship (although not doing so is much worse). This I believe is why the WHO advises against travel bans, it means countries don't alert the world early if they think trade with them will stop.
Remember how we handled CJD/mad cow disease. We spent months (years?) insisting there was absolutely nothing to see.

@Kendodd

Do you think eradicating it was possible?

Yes I do but the red button has to be pressed early. As a world we manage to extinguish Ebola when that raises its head, although Ebola is less contagious than covid. Unfortunately there is a disincentive for countries to raise a red flag early on new diseases because it brings economic hardship (although not doing so is much worse). This I believe is why the WHO advises against travel bans, it means countries don't alert the world early if they think trade with them will stop.
Remember how we handled CJD/mad cow disease. We spent months (years?) insisting there was absolutely nothing to see.

What about asymptomatic spread?

Even Chris Whitty said very early on if we can’t find it we can’t control it.

The reason why SARS 2 was a lot harder to deal with was because so much of it is spread by people without symptoms.

Are there any scientific articles or experts you’ve read suggesting early eradication was possible?

@Kendodd

Do you think eradicating it was possible?

Yes I do but the red button has to be pressed early. As a world we manage to extinguish Ebola when that raises its head, although Ebola is less contagious than covid. Unfortunately there is a disincentive for countries to raise a red flag early on new diseases because it brings economic hardship (although not doing so is much worse). This I believe is why the WHO advises against travel bans, it means countries don't alert the world early if they think trade with them will stop.
Remember how we handled CJD/mad cow disease. We spent months (years?) insisting there was absolutely nothing to see.

I personally disagree eradication was possible, but I think most scientists converged around the idea that attempting to keep cases as closer to zero as possible whilst vaccines were developed was, on balance, the best way forward.

I personally disagree eradication was possible, but I think most scientists converged around the idea that attempting to keep cases as closer to zero as possible whilst vaccines were developed was, on balance, the best way forward.

How would you do this in a country such as the U.K. which has porous borders?

Without being in lockdown for the period of development.

@Blubells

in the UK we seem to have managed to have the worst approach/outcome ratio with the consequences of harsh prolonged restrictions and poor health and fatality outcomes.

We're the UK's restrictions any longer than those of other countries? I think the UK had relatively short restrictions.

And part of the high death rate is due to the chronically underfunded NHS

It depends on which countries you’re talking about tbh. For instance I think Germany have managed the balance with restrictions pretty well as have France at times. Specifically in the UK though I believe that poor timing prolonged the actual lockdowns we were essentially forced into and at those times we suffered unnecessarily high periods of fatalities and hospitalisations when there were the means to manage rates.

Ultimately I think Europe overall fatalities are going to end up at very similar figures (and I have said that for a while) once the pandemic is declared over and we’re dealing with endemic covid (officially) but I think England in particular have missed opportunities to reduce the impact of peaks.

What’s your point?

Deaths per 100,000 or population is interesting. 2020 was higher than immediate previous years, but lower than 2008. It was also lower than every year before that, right back to 1942 when reliable records started.

@Flyonawalk

Deaths per 100,000 or population is interesting. 2020 was higher than immediate previous years, but lower than 2008. It was also lower than every year before that, right back to 1942 when reliable records started.

Yes, the pandemic has lost us twelve years worth of mortality improvements. Could be worse, but not good at all.

With regard eradication, other countries managed it. We didn't even try. Admittedly for eradication to be successful all countries have to be on board although if covid had been jumped on early enough this might not have mattered as it hadn't reached all countries. Plus as said earlier, if this had succeeded the voting public would have been absolutely livid and would have called it a huge overreaction and waste of money. Politicians can't win on this.

As for keeping cases as close to zero as possible while vaccine is developed. I don't see how this can work as I don't see how vaccine can be tested without cases circulating? Challenge trials I suppose? Not sure of the ethics of that considering how many volunteers youd have to expose.

For instance I think Germany have managed the balance with restrictions pretty well as have France at times.

Restrictions in both Germany and France have been more prolonged and tougher than those of the UK. Cases are rising very rapidly in both countries.

Germany has a far better health system so that helped prevent some deaths

With regard eradication, other countries managed it. We didn't even try

How would you do this with our borders?

Even Melbourne struggled and had a very long lockdown in total due to the few cases it had.

So what is the solution to our border control to get away from cases coming in each week?

@OperationRinka and it will get worse. What effect has loss of education together with ongoing recessions had on life-expectancy of today’s children? I think many of them will have a meagre future.

@Blubells

For instance I think Germany have managed the balance with restrictions pretty well as have France at times.

Restrictions in both Germany and France have been more prolonged and tougher than those of the UK. Cases are rising very rapidly in both countries.

Germany has a far better health system so that helped prevent some deaths

Ok, but I’m talking primarily pre-vaccination and I don’t believe it was possible to avoid lockdowns until vaccinations were available and distributed. Germany have had better medical management primarily because they were able to keep infection numbers within their capabilities although stretched. They didn’t have an equivalent of our white elephant nightingales as far as I’m aware? I think they utilised the time and space their lockdowns and restrictions bought them better.

Omicron has been a different beast, but until recently UK figures have been significantly higher. I think their approach now is correct but they basically waited for vaccinations and a milder strain which I believe we could have done too.

It doesn’t get talked about much but our policy over summer of letting cases rumble on at fairly high levels doesn’t seem to have particularly paid much dividends as far as I know.

It doesn’t get talked about much but our policy over summer of letting cases rumble on at fairly high levels doesn’t seem to have particularly paid much dividends as far as I know.

What makes you say this?

Why wouldn’t our earlier peak with lower restrictions than Europe be related to higher previous infection

I don’t understand your question @MarshaBradyo?

As I understood it the policy over the summer/autumn to allow cases to run high was to avoid a peak over the winter. As it happened omicron emerged and we had a massive peak anyway. I don’t think it’s entirely clear yet whether we’ve emerged the other side of the peak due to boosters, previous infections or societal factors but everything I’ve come across says a previous delta infection provides very little protection against an omicron infection which makes allowing for high cases over summer/autumn redundant.

@Cornettoninja

I don’t understand your question *@MarshaBradyo*?

As I understood it the policy over the summer/autumn to allow cases to run high was to avoid a peak over the winter. As it happened omicron emerged and we had a massive peak anyway. I don’t think it’s entirely clear yet whether we’ve emerged the other side of the peak due to boosters, previous infections or societal factors but everything I’ve come across says a previous delta infection provides very little protection against an omicron infection which makes allowing for high cases over summer/autumn redundant.

It was a good strategy before omicron and still might be after

France had half a million cases the other day plus restrictions whereas London which is ahead of the curve is definitely falling, others will follow

Our peak was lower. Maybe boosters helped too but fine. Better all round

It was a strategy that led to thousands of deaths.

And kept the economy more open which I know some like to gloss over. It is not cost free to keep society restricted. In many ways including health.

And one that has meant cases haven’t risen to half a million like France.

Plus one Chris Whitty backed and we know he is quite good

Apart from a dodgy line which was unwarranted

@Whydidimarryhim

There has been a freedom of information release from the Office of National Statistics (ONS) - Jan 7th 22 There data show that total deaths from Covid in 2020 - this is the number of deaths from adults who had NO underlying issues ie heart disease/diabetes etc - the total No is 9400. From Jan 2021 to Sept 2021 the total deaths from Covid alone - was 0-64 age range = 2225 and 65+ 5746. All this is for England and Wales This information is on utube from Dr John Campbell - He has been covering Covid since late 2019. What is interesting is that this info hasn’t been on the news.

And has this Dr John Cambell said anything about cause of death data in general? I have worked in the probate sector for some 30 years and I don't recall EVER seeing a death certificate for death with a single cause of death shown. Indeed, the ONS guidance for doctors completing a death certificate heavily pushes away from this.

www.essexlmc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Death-Certification-Guidance.pdf

Seems to me that the FOI request was carefully engineered to elicit this result. Who made it?

Another one. Almost every day we get one of these