Deaths from Covid alone in 2020 = 9,400

[Whydidimarryhim]

There has been a freedom of information release from the Office of National Statistics (ONS) - Jan 7th 22
There data show that total deaths from Covid in 2020 - this is the number of deaths from adults who had NO underlying issues ie heart disease/diabetes etc - the total No is 9400.
From Jan 2021 to Sept 2021 the total deaths from Covid alone - was 0-64 age range = 2225 and 65+ 5746. All this is for England and Wales
This information is on utube from Dr John Campbell - He has been covering Covid since late 2019.
What is interesting is that this info hasn’t been on the news.

JesusInTheCabbageVan

Are the people posting these threads swept up in some kind of Aryan fascist wet dream of a society made up only of wholesome, hearty ubermensch vs sallow parasites who are clinging onto life by a fingernail?

This gets my vote as best Mumsnet Covid post of all time. I’m want to re quote cabbage on quite a few threads here.

@HesterShaw1

I think the point is that young/middle aged healthy people were made to feel terrified of Covid, as a form of control.

"Anyone can catch it, anyone can spread it, anyone can die of it" etc.

Which one of those 3 statements was incorrect?

@Emergency73

JesusInTheCabbageVan

Are the people posting these threads swept up in some kind of Aryan fascist wet dream of a society made up only of wholesome, hearty ubermensch vs sallow parasites who are clinging onto life by a fingernail?

This gets my vote as best Mumsnet Covid post of all time. I’m want to re quote cabbage on quite a few threads here.

Quite.

And it's interesting to see that posts like "20% of all deaths come from 1% of the population= the over 90s" come from 1% of Mumsnetters, who since the go-get have had their own little corner where they whip each other into an "I'm DONE!" feeding frenzy.

@PAFMO It's called statistics and if you ask someone to stand aside to leave a loved one alone to die , then if that person wants to takes an unemotional hard look at statistics to see the justification for the inhumane things they were asked to do, no one has the right to question them IMHO

And it's interesting to see that posts like "20% of all deaths come from 1% of the population= the over 90s" come from 1% of Mumsnetters, who since the go-get have had their own little corner where they whip each other into an "I'm DONE!" feeding frenzy.

I don’t get the issue with that thread, do people dislike it when others choose. Plus makes a nice change from the doom spiral threads we’ve had for so long.

Lockdown will definitely happen, society will collapse etc you wait…

It’s as if some people don’t want functional society restored. And often ‘think of the vulnerable’ is used to excuse limiting everyone. If society is limited in its activity and wealth, the vulnerable will be the first to suffer.

Agree people seem to still be fixated on numbers when the cost of our reaction is going to be big, for us and next generation.

The idea we can keep piling up these costs is one sided

@MarshaBradyo Exactiy. The costs of lockdown will mean years of recession and austerity, disproportionally affecting the most vulnerable. I am astonished how few people think this is important.

Everyone in our household has some kind of underlying issue - ages 15 months, 4 years, 39 years and 51 years. All of us are healthy as our conditions are treated/managed and we have good quality of life.
DH and I both work and pay our taxes, kids are happy and have great lives.
It's great to know that if we all died we wouldn't count as significant in your version of society 🙄
I'm glad I don't ever meet many people like you IRL

Also agree with the points about endless lockdown and social cost, btw. Just the OP seems to be writing off everyone with an underlying condition as vulnerable when they're actually anything but - apart to this damn virus.
It's complicated and not a conspiracy. The economy will fully reopen this year and some people will have to bear their additional risk in mind more

Nobody is considering anyone's life disposable, whether or not they have underlying health conditions.

However the data is very reassuring for the many young and healthy people.

It also begs the question as to whether our response to the pandemic was reasonable or whether the young suffered more than perhaps necessary?

So people with asthma, diabetes, heart disease etc dont 'count'??

@Blubells I certainly feel that the young have suffered badly and unnecessarily. I worry that the poorest of our young people will be hampered long term by reduced access to education, healthcare, and by diminishing investment in services.

I thought that as a society we would protect our children. I am very shocked that we have not and that people make excuses for our failures to look out for the young.

@Blubells

Nobody is considering anyone's life disposable, whether or not they have underlying health conditions.

However the data is very reassuring for the many young and healthy people.

It also begs the question as to whether our response to the pandemic was reasonable or whether the young suffered more than perhaps necessary?

I guess there are of course things that could have been done better.

If we locked down sooner in March 2020, we could have had better effect with a shorter lockdown.

And we should have prioritised education, got laptops to kids earlier, and kept in person exams.

[quote Flyonawalk]@MarshaBradyo Exactiy. The costs of lockdown will mean years of recession and austerity, disproportionally affecting the most vulnerable. I am astonished how few people think this is important.[/quote]
Great point, sadly many people are blind to this harsh reality 😞

I thought that as a society we would protect our children. I am very shocked that we have not and that people make excuses for our failures to look out for the young.

Thankfully there are many older and vulnerable people who are against restricting the young, who prefer that schoolchildren don't have to wear masks all day, who want to prioritise their well-being.

@Blubells

I thought that as a society we would protect our children. I am very shocked that we have not and that people make excuses for our failures to look out for the young.

Thankfully there are many older and vulnerable people who are against restricting the young, who prefer that schoolchildren don't have to wear masks all day, who want to prioritise their well-being.

I’ve found it pretty shocking too.

The way this site skewed throughout too - only a few saying the same about this.

HesterShaw1
"I think the point is that young/middle aged healthy people were made to feel terrified of Covid, as a form of control".

Perhaps it was necessary to amplify the risk to get people on board with slowing the transmission? As demonstrated by this thread, many won't act unless they see a direct and immediate threat to themselves. For many it's just too far removed to imagine that they might not get treatment themselves if the hospitals are full for any reason: in this case, full of covid patients. Young people can think themselves as healthy as they like, but if they fell off their bike on the way to work, or choked on their avocado there might not have been capacity to treat them.

@MarshaBradyo that has surprised me too. That on a parenting forum there have been so few parents standing up for their children.

Even if excess deaths HAD turned out to solely among 99 yr care home residents with advanced dementia (which is clearly untrue) what I would say to the ‚we shut the economy down for nothing‘ brigade - is - what about the precautionary principle? You’re talking about the known issue of exponential virus growth and the fact - based on many other disease outbreaks - that early action is always better in pandemics (which the world screwed up and the uk massively screwed up). You’re talking about a rapidly spreading novel virus, and scientists, who have obviously no long term outcomes data, modelling a range of risks, the upper range of which was unacceptably awful. There was no conspiracy going on here, just experts trying to take decisions in conditions of uncertainty, based very explicitly on risks. Nobody was claiming to be Nostradamus. I just don‘t get the logic of ‚young people will have suffered more from lockdowns than Covid‘. Sure - but isolating people is a better understood risk than this virus was at that point! More if those same young people could have died, or died from other causes as health systems were overwhelmed - at some points we did not have the data to know! The only valid questions to ask at this stage aren‘t - what should we have done with the knowledge we have today. They are - did we use the knowledge we had then as well as possible? If not, why not? What can we learn from this for next time?

I'm rather saddened by the people (usually with the viewpoint of wanting to keep their businesses chugging along in a pandemic, at the expense of the lives and health of the wider community) who have been really blinkered about the need to have a functioning health service and emergency services in order for the economy to function.

Chris Whitty is very good on this.

We couldn't, in March 2020, have just pretended that there wasn't a pandemic and gone on with life as normal.

And it seemed we haven't learnt much from the lessons of the pandemic, reading all of this.

If we care about children vulnerable to domestic violence and so on, then we need to fund and organise social services so that they can deal with these cases better, as the vast majority of deaths etc. would have happened even if we didn't have a lockdown.

And funding for secondary education, for example, fell from £7,200 per head to £6,500 per head from 2010 to 2021. Some schools even get far less than this. So we need to vote for parties that are going to prioritise education and give catch up funding etc. If we care about this generation of kids, that is.

[quote Flyonawalk]@MarshaBradyo that has surprised me too. That on a parenting forum there have been so few parents standing up for their children.[/quote]
I know I felt incredulous at times.

I think there was a lot of hounding and ridicule from some as tactics to silence too.

@riveted1 You have posted incorrect information in this statement

"As a poster pointed out to you on just the page before (and on other threads) what is shocking is that we've lost over a decade of progress regarding reducing mortality in the UK.

Rates have been steadily decreasing in the UK until now."

Please refer to the ONS standardized death rates. They did not steadily decrease www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsintheukfrom1990to2020

Well, as the mum of an immunosuppressed child, I was very pleased when masks were reasonably introduced.

I think children deserve to have an education. And in an environment that is as physically safe as we can make it.

Shocked at the attitudes on here. Shocked, I tell you.

Well, as the mum of an immunosuppressed child, I was very pleased when masks were reasonably introduced.

Do the benefits of masks, especially the ones worn by schoolchildren, in terms of reduced transmission really outweigh the costs - in terms of difficulty understanding (not just for the hard of hearing), seeing facial expressions, steamed up glasses etc?

If the benefits do not outweigh the costs then masks should not be enforced for all