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Deaths from Covid alone in 2020 = 9,400

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Whydidimarryhim · 22/01/2022 08:21

There has been a freedom of information release from the Office of National Statistics (ONS) - Jan 7th 22
There data show that total deaths from Covid in 2020 - this is the number of deaths from adults who had NO underlying issues ie heart disease/diabetes etc - the total No is 9400.
From Jan 2021 to Sept 2021 the total deaths from Covid alone - was 0-64 age range = 2225 and 65+ 5746. All this is for England and Wales
This information is on utube from Dr John Campbell - He has been covering Covid since late 2019.
What is interesting is that this info hasn’t been on the news.

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CornishYarg · 22/01/2022 09:19

Having one or more underlying issues does not automatically mean "at death's door, likely to die imminently". There are a huge number of conditions that would be classed as an underlying issue despite having very minor impacts on people's lives.

Barbie222 · 22/01/2022 09:26

@hamstersarse

I don’t know how accurate this is but on the back of this a stat has been produced that the average life lost is 7 weeks.

Significant to know

So someone's counted the years of life lost to Covid in the UK since the start of the pandemic, divided it by the total number of people in the UK, got seven weeks as their answer, and thinks that is 'significant to know'? 🤔🤦‍♀️

With you 100% on the statistical knowledge deficiency @Cornettoninja !

The only thing that would be 'significant to know' here would be that if the same shitty, meaningless statistic was applied to other countries around the world, the figure would be a fuck of a lot less than 7 weeks.

Whydidimarryhim · 22/01/2022 09:29

CloneAViral - Ive put the details - look it up.
No I didn’t post yesterday. Ive not been on this thread for weeks.
I’m not sure what my views are actually. I’m not scaremongering I’m just posting the details from ONS.
I had already decided not to have the third booster based on my own assessment.

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NuffSaidSam · 22/01/2022 09:32

@hamstersarse

I don’t know how accurate this is but on the back of this a stat has been produced that the average life lost is 7 weeks.

Significant to know

Why is it significant out of interest?
OperationRinka · 22/01/2022 09:33

My DF has had hypertension for longer than most people on this thread have been alive. He's still alive and well, and probably more intelligent and active than a fair few posters.

If Covid was killing people who were on the brink of death anyway then the country wouldn't have significant numbers of excess deaths. Guess what?

truthfullylying · 22/01/2022 09:34

@Whydidimarryhim

There has been a freedom of information release from the Office of National Statistics (ONS) - Jan 7th 22 There data show that total deaths from Covid in 2020 - this is the number of deaths from adults who had NO underlying issues ie heart disease/diabetes etc - the total No is 9400. From Jan 2021 to Sept 2021 the total deaths from Covid alone - was 0-64 age range = 2225 and 65+ 5746. All this is for England and Wales This information is on utube from Dr John Campbell - He has been covering Covid since late 2019. What is interesting is that this info hasn’t been on the news.
Biscuit

Is it your view that people with asthma or high blood pressure are expendable then?

truthfullylying · 22/01/2022 09:35

@hamstersarse

I don’t know how accurate this is but on the back of this a stat has been produced that the average life lost is 7 weeks.

Significant to know

That sounds totally made up.
OperationRinka · 22/01/2022 09:45

This minimising stat is highly misleading and flies in the face of what the excess death numbers tell us.

However it is true that the chances of a slim and healthy woman under 40 dying of Covid are tiny, and much less than other things we worry less about like bacon sandwiches and sitting down all day.

But the chances of being worryingly ill and incapacitated for a week or more and possibly suffering long term consequences are far higher. I didn't take my booster because I was personally worried about dying. I can't think of anyone who looked like me who died of Covid (I'm sure they exist but the numbers are tiny). But I do have a slightly older relative who suffered severe long term heart damage from catching Covid in early 2020. That's why I took my booster, and will take another if it's recommended.

twosticksandanapple · 22/01/2022 09:47

What is meant by an underlying condition? Supposedly 95% of the world population has one.
www.livescience.com/51122-world-health-problems.html

PAFMO · 22/01/2022 09:49

@Whydidimarryhim

There has been a freedom of information release from the Office of National Statistics (ONS) - Jan 7th 22 There data show that total deaths from Covid in 2020 - this is the number of deaths from adults who had NO underlying issues ie heart disease/diabetes etc - the total No is 9400. From Jan 2021 to Sept 2021 the total deaths from Covid alone - was 0-64 age range = 2225 and 65+ 5746. All this is for England and Wales This information is on utube from Dr John Campbell - He has been covering Covid since late 2019. What is interesting is that this info hasn’t been on the news.
Hurrah! I was missing the daily minimising of deaths and othering of the vulnerable and disabled whose deaths don't matter (apparently)
Whydidimarryhim · 22/01/2022 09:49

Truly fulfilling - No - why ask that question - I didn’t indicate that - I’m only reporting the data. 🍮

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Theunamedcat · 22/01/2022 09:56

Pointless data its really Pointless it means nothing except these people died healthy people with families and friends

bringmelaughter · 22/01/2022 10:01

These stats highlight how the “it’s just like flu” argument is nonsense.

So the deaths from Covid in people with no risk factors is way in excess of all annual deaths from flu.

Also most of us have risk factors so excluding people with risk factors makes no sense OP. People with risk factors are not some other group to be written off, they are you, they are me, they are the people we love, they are people who make a big contribution to society.

Deaths from Covid alone in 2020 = 9,400
Blubells · 22/01/2022 10:01

The big moral question is how long do those who are unlikely to die from it restrict their lifestyles to try protect the vulnerable?

Yes, and what is an 'acceptable' level of death?

We could try to prevent every single death but that would obviously be very costly, so what level of costs/benefits are we happy to accept?

Sirzy · 22/01/2022 10:02

@Whydidimarryhim

Truly fulfilling - No - why ask that question - I didn’t indicate that - I’m only reporting the data. 🍮
But with what aim?

What exactly where you hoping to gain by posting some meaningless data if it wasn’t to minimise the deaths of 1000s just because they had another condition on their medical records?

ItsSnowJokes · 22/01/2022 10:05

I have M.E, its an underlying condition does it mean if I died from covid I don't count in your statistics as I had an underlying condition? Of course it doesn't. People can have a condition that would have absolutely no effect on covid but according to you, I don't count, my life is worth nothing and I'm just a by product of the pandemic so it's OK that I die.

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 22/01/2022 10:09

@Whydidimarryhim

Truly fulfilling - No - why ask that question - I didn’t indicate that - I’m only reporting the data. 🍮
So why do you think it's so 'interesting' that this data hasn't been in the news, if you're completely neutral?

Why post data which is widely recognised by everyone with a brain except Covid deniers as being pretty much irrelevant?

NuffSaidSam · 22/01/2022 10:11

@Whydidimarryhim

Truly fulfilling - No - why ask that question - I didn’t indicate that - I’m only reporting the data. 🍮
Unfortunately, your post does indicate exactly that. What's the point of it otherwise? Why is the data that excludes those with underlying heath conditions so interesting to you?
CarrieBlue · 22/01/2022 10:12

Yet another distasteful, faux innocent posting. How horrible.

LethargicActress · 22/01/2022 10:13

Thanks for posting that OP, I think it’s interesting, and it’s adds to the questions around whether our covid responses have been proportionate to the risks, especially considering the massive impact on education.

Obviously, thinking about that doesn’t automatically mean that I consider people’s lives to be disposable just because they have an underlying condition. Hmm But it does mean that if/when a pandemic happens again, we might be better able to find a response that protects the vulnerable without destroying the education, mental health and livelihoods of millions of people.

Iggly · 22/01/2022 10:14

@Whydidimarryhim

Truly fulfilling - No - why ask that question - I didn’t indicate that - I’m only reporting the data. 🍮
It’s a very ill informed interpretation of this data going on.

People with other conditions may still be alive today if they didn’t have covid. Covid will show on their death certificate alongside other conditions.

The implication of the OP is that this doesn’t matter, we can just ignore covid.

Fucks sake. The ignorance hurts my brain.

Exhausteddog · 22/01/2022 10:14

Underlying conditions could cover a whole range of things though.
A former colleague, age 48, died early on in the pandemic. He had asthma. He was generally fit and healthy, not overweight, went to the gym etc, had his own business - He might well have lived another 20 or 30 years.
Its completely different from someone older, in their last weeks of life, contracting covid and dying shortly afterwards. Not that they don't matter, but saying "underlying conditions" covers a whole range of things, some of which are manageable illneses that people can live with for decades.

NightmareSlashDelightful · 22/01/2022 10:15

hamsters Actually I agree in part -- many of the restrictions placed on society, especially in the UK, Europe, US and Australia, have been blunt, ineffective, wafty and illiberal. I'm often in agreement with you on these boards on that front.

But there's a difference between arguing against harsh and unhelpful restrictions, and someone posting this figure out of context in an attempt to claim that covid has only affected 17,000 people (or 9,000 people, depending on which stat is being chucked around). It is only a fraction of the true picture.

Also, the 'life isn't fair' argument works both ways.

Pandemics affect, or at least impact, everyone -- regardless of how severely they're likely to be affected by the actual illness itself. Because there are other impacts beyond the medical; societal, economical, political.

I lost my business in 2020 and three of my employees lost their jobs. I haven't seen my parents in almost two years. And my mental health has suffered. And I know many more people who've suffered impacts like that than who have been negatively impacted by covid itself.

It isn't right, and it isn't OK. But it is what happens to us sometimes. Into every life a little rain must fall, but it doesn't always fall at the same rate, to all people, at the same time. But we all get wet, one way or another.

CorrBlimeyGG · 22/01/2022 10:15

Data without context is meaningless. What point are you trying to make @Whydidimarryhim?

Iggly · 22/01/2022 10:15

@LethargicActress

Thanks for posting that OP, I think it’s interesting, and it’s adds to the questions around whether our covid responses have been proportionate to the risks, especially considering the massive impact on education.

Obviously, thinking about that doesn’t automatically mean that I consider people’s lives to be disposable just because they have an underlying condition. Hmm But it does mean that if/when a pandemic happens again, we might be better able to find a response that protects the vulnerable without destroying the education, mental health and livelihoods of millions of people.

The reason for public health measures was to reduce the numbers so that the pressure on the NHS could be kept down.

We don’t have enough nhs beds - we have one of the lowest ICU capacities in Europe.

If we better invested in public health and the nhs we would be better placed to cope with future pandemics.

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