Anyone else done now?

[VeryMuchSo13]

Know I'll get slated but I'm so past caring.

Anyone else just completely done with it now? Ran out of LFTs ages ago and I'll never do another again, wouldn't even go for a PCR now with symptoms tbh. I'd stay in until I felt better like I do with everything else and then crack on.

The only reason I wear masks in shops is because of people moaning if you don't. As soon as it's no longer required that'll be in the bin.

I actually took it really seriously the past two years and did everything we were supposed to. Triple jabbed etc etc... But I can't be arsed giving it anymore headspace now. I'm sick of hearing about it, sick of seeing it on the news, sick of people talking about it.

From today on I highly doubt I'll ever voluntarily think about Covid again, in a way that restricts anything I do anyway.

Obesity isn't the primary reason for death. Age is far, far more important, and Japan had a very aged population comparatively.

Exactly.

There must be more to it than that

@TheKeatingFive

Covid will never go away unless every single person on the planet stays indoors for 2 weeks.

There was a thread about this. It's probably closer to 8 weeks. Plus what do we do about animal reserves of the illness?

Was that before Omicron too? The likely origins of that strain have completely put that issue to bed, you'd hope.

If we follow the thought that locking people in their houses ends for whatever period of time ends covid the same must be true for every other virus. If we manage to end all our current viruses, guess what the survivors of this insanity would face? Novel viruses.

@beentoldcomputersaysno

Thanks from me too. Remember this is an extreme thread, the total other end of the spectrum from those who wanted continual lockdowns forever (although never actually came across anyone who did want perpetual lockdown, but saw posters advocating for any health measures at all accused of this).

I don't think this is an extreme thread at all. It's just a conversation about how fed up some are. There's nothing wrong with saying you're done with it. Plus there are many not RTFT. I also believe some posters want everyone locked down and restrictions forever (or they like to go onto threads and say they do but they don't live in the real world.

Not extreme, granted it’s a shift from lockdown will happen, schools will close, society will collapse type stuff we’ve had only recently. But that was heightened anyway

[quote treeflowercat]@1dayatatime

Obesity isn't the primary reason for death. Age is far, far more important, and Japan had a very aged population comparatively.[/quote]
I agree that age is the main risk factor in Covid deaths, the average age of Covid death in the UK bears this out.In 2021 the average age of death due to COVID-19 was 82.5. Life expectancy in the UK is 79.0 for males and 82.9 female.

The next biggest risk factor is underlying health conditions, which also correlates strongly to age. 80% of people dying from Covid had an underlying health condition, only 20% had Covid as the sole cause of death.

But after that obesity is the next biggest risk factor. You can see this clearly for yourself on the Oxford University risk calculator by entering your age, health conditions etc and then simply adjust your weight. By reducing my actual weight to my goal weight (for too many years now) of 10kg less I reduced my risk by two thirds.

Now some of this comes down to health care provisions in different countries, but Japan has had the lowest death rate per 1 million population from Covid in the world. It also has nearly the lowest rate of obesity in the world (185 out of 191 countries). So yes obesity is a major factor

In short you can't change your age, you can't easily change seriously underlying health conditions but you can at least try to lose weight or at least not put on anymore and acknowledge that high obesity rates result in higher rates per million of Covid deaths.

@treeflowercat

Well your point seems to have gone over my head too... What is it exactly?

The poster was talking about how she was doing exactly nothing to stop spread of the virus - no measures whatsoever, and going out into the community as per normal, and her family were doing the same. Then she said, without any irony, "Covid is not going away."

No, it isn't, with people who cannot take simple health measures.

The poster was talking about how she was doing exactly nothing to stop spread of the virus - no measures whatsoever, and going out into the community as per normal

While this is not the case just yet I believe that’s what everyone will be doing soon because that’s what living with Covid is going to be like. 🤷‍♀️

Yes, done here too. This is why they are relaxing all the restrictions now that the virus is milder. I feel sorry for countries that are still going through lockdowns and vaccine passports or even the abuse of fines on unvaccinated like Austria.

[quote PandorasBex]@treeflowercat

Well your point seems to have gone over my head too... What is it exactly?

The poster was talking about how she was doing exactly nothing to stop spread of the virus - no measures whatsoever, and going out into the community as per normal, and her family were doing the same. Then she said, without any irony, "Covid is not going away."

No, it isn't, with people who cannot take simple health measures.[/quote]
But the point is it will never go away as we would need to shut down the entire planet and eliminate whole species of animals to do that - hardly a simple health measure.

Also, what is simple to you is difficult for others. I have no capacity to care about people other than those I know and love after my mental health was shredded to the point of suicidal thoughts.

Many people on here have screeched about "protecting the vulnerable". You can't protect everyone as we are all vulnerable for different reasons therefore there isn't a mitigation that works universally. No one cared about those of us close to suicide because of the mitigations, so I'm afraid I'm now at the point where I don't care any more.

[quote PandorasBex]@treeflowercat

Well your point seems to have gone over my head too... What is it exactly?

The poster was talking about how she was doing exactly nothing to stop spread of the virus - no measures whatsoever, and going out into the community as per normal, and her family were doing the same. Then she said, without any irony, "Covid is not going away."

No, it isn't, with people who cannot take simple health measures.[/quote]
To be clear, are you suggesting that even at this stage, it might be possible for covid to go away if people did take whatever you define as simple health measures? If not, what's the relevance?

Australia is currently going through the whole freakout about school and Covid. Granted as a non parent and not a teacher I’m not impacted but some of the panic by parents and teachers here is ridiculous. Teachers in my state have voted to strike because they won’t be ‘safe’.

With vaccines and boosters as well as a less virulent strain this is as good as it gets. It will never be completely safe and if they expect a magical Covid free classroom they should look at a new career.

Then there are the parents who want to keep their otherwise healthy children home in some sort of Covid safe bubble because they’re worried about long Covid.

Of course most parents are fine with sending their children back but this is a very vocal minority.

[quote PandorasBex]@treeflowercat

Well your point seems to have gone over my head too... What is it exactly?

The poster was talking about how she was doing exactly nothing to stop spread of the virus - no measures whatsoever, and going out into the community as per normal, and her family were doing the same. Then she said, without any irony, "Covid is not going away."

No, it isn't, with people who cannot take simple health measures.[/quote]
It didn't go over my head at all. Covid will not go away with "simple health measures" otherwise it would have gone away by now. Deluded to think otherwise.

@Lolamento

Yes, done here too. This is why they are relaxing all the restrictions now that the virus is milder. I feel sorry for countries that are still going through lockdowns and vaccine passports or even the abuse of fines on unvaccinated like Austria.

NS and Drakeford have quietly dropped restrictions without admission they were unwarranted and expensive.

They would not stop the peak occurring and drops would be due to passing it.

Tg we didn’t impose the same here as we would be stuck in the same ‘they worked’ which is wrong

[quote PandorasBex]@treeflowercat

Well your point seems to have gone over my head too... What is it exactly?

The poster was talking about how she was doing exactly nothing to stop spread of the virus - no measures whatsoever, and going out into the community as per normal, and her family were doing the same. Then she said, without any irony, "Covid is not going away."

No, it isn't, with people who cannot take simple health measures.[/quote]
If you think that Covid or any other virus could be eradicated by just putting a piece of cloth or paper over your face then I'm afraid you are going to be sadly disappointed.

It is here to stay. Learn to live with it.

On the other hand, if you enjoy hiding away and covering your face five times over if you do go out then you are free to continue doing that.

@VikingOnTheFridge

To be clear, are you suggesting that even at this stage, it might be possible for covid to go away if people did take whatever you define as simple health measures? If not, what's the relevance?

I'm saying that, yes, when possible, mitigations in a pandemic should be followed by as many people as possible to make a difference. Anyone suggesting otherwise is misinformed. Covid won't go away entirely - I never suggested that.

If too many people decide all at once they aren't going to bother with lower level mitigations - especially during a period of high cases - then that could cause a surge.

@Topseyt

If you think that Covid or any other virus could be eradicated by just putting a piece of cloth or paper over your face then I'm afraid you are going to be sadly disappointed.

It is here to stay. Learn to live with it.

On the other hand, if you enjoy hiding away and covering your face five times over if you do go out then you are free to continue doing that.

I never said it could be eradicated just by wearing masks. Do you have a comprehension issue? And what is your last paragraph of froth about?

I never said it could be eradicated just by wearing masks. Do you have a comprehension issue?

So what are you saying, because she's not the only poster struggling to understand your point?

Yes could you clarify what these "simple health measures" or "lower level mitigations" are, @PandorasBex

Sorry just saw your other post

mitigations in a pandemic should be followed by as many people as possible to make a difference. Anyone suggesting otherwise is misinformed

Well where is the evidence that (for example) wearing bits of cloth badly has made any difference to rates of omincron in particular?

Covid won't go away entirely - I never suggested that

You might want to rethink how you express yourself then, it certainly looked that way to a number of posters.

[quote PandorasBex]@Topseyt

If you think that Covid or any other virus could be eradicated by just putting a piece of cloth or paper over your face then I'm afraid you are going to be sadly disappointed.

It is here to stay. Learn to live with it.

On the other hand, if you enjoy hiding away and covering your face five times over if you do go out then you are free to continue doing that.

I never said it could be eradicated just by wearing masks. Do you have a comprehension issue? And what is your last paragraph of froth about?[/quote]
Your post makes it sound as though you think it could be eradicated if people just took simple measures.

As for my last paragraph, well that is about your "simple measures" in case you have a comprehension problem. You seem to favour them, so crack on with it. Some of us don't agree and never will.

[quote PandorasBex]@VikingOnTheFridge

To be clear, are you suggesting that even at this stage, it might be possible for covid to go away if people did take whatever you define as simple health measures? If not, what's the relevance?

I'm saying that, yes, when possible, mitigations in a pandemic should be followed by as many people as possible to make a difference. Anyone suggesting otherwise is misinformed. Covid won't go away entirely - I never suggested that.

If too many people decide all at once they aren't going to bother with lower level mitigations - especially during a period of high cases - then that could cause a surge.[/quote]
So what exactly did you mean when you said to a pp that one of the reasons covid isn't going away is because people won't follow the health measures you want? Because either you think those measures would help make it go away, or you know they won't and therefore you were wrong to suggest one reason covid isn't going away is because people aren't following them. Which?

The point about surging is an entirely different one.

Don’t think it’s possible to lockdown the whole world for two weeks and even if it was there would probably be some virus lingering about somewhere so all would happen is the peak would get moved on a bit.

@VikingOnTheFridge

So what exactly did you mean when you said to a pp that one of the reasons covid isn't going away is because people won't follow the health measures you want? Because either you think those measures would help make it go away, or you know they won't and therefore you were wrong to suggest one reason covid isn't going away is because people aren't following them. Which?

FFS.

You're twisting yourself in knots in a weird attempt to prove me wrong.

In my original post, I was simply noting that that the poster was saying she was taking no measures whatsoever and then said "Covid isn't going away." This statement - Covid isn't going away - was ironic given what she had said about taking zero measures.

Is that clearer to you?

[quote PandorasBex]@VikingOnTheFridge

So what exactly did you mean when you said to a pp that one of the reasons covid isn't going away is because people won't follow the health measures you want? Because either you think those measures would help make it go away, or you know they won't and therefore you were wrong to suggest one reason covid isn't going away is because people aren't following them. Which?

FFS.

You're twisting yourself in knots in a weird attempt to prove me wrong.

In my original post, I was simply noting that that the poster was saying she was taking no measures whatsoever and then said "Covid isn't going away." This statement - Covid isn't going away - was ironic given what she had said about taking zero measures.

Is that clearer to you?[/quote]
Lmao, no.

Words have meanings. In your haste to have a dig at someone whose behaviour you don't approve of, you said something silly. Now you're trying to backtrack.

Nothing about the comment you made, including any attempt at irony, would work without the premise that doing the things you advocate for would make covid go away. Either you think these measures would get rid of covid, or you know they wouldn't and you chose your words badly. It's one of the two.