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Refusing services to unvaccinated. What are your thoughts?

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TheChip · 16/01/2022 12:25

I'm just curious to hear of people's thoughts on this.
I have currently been refused a service due to being unvaccinated, in the UK. Its not a service that would require close proximity like a hairdresser, but in the same space for a period of time.

My thoughts on it are while I understand and respect people's choices and comfort levels, I do find it hard to grasp when the virus is both passed between those vaccinated or unvaccinated. Even if you throw in the comments about how vaccination reduces transmission, it is still transmissible.

I would have been more than willing to LFT before every contact, and wear a mask. But this wasn't an option. Which I guess is the part I find most difficult to understand. That they would be comfortable and willing to be around those vaccinated, possibly even without testing. Which I'd expect testing to be expected for both vaccinated and unvaccinated for someone who is clearly so uncomfortable.

So yeah, what are your thoughts

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Nomicron · 16/01/2022 20:23

@BertyFlanter

To the PP who said about tax towards health cover, where does that stop. Shall we tax sports players in case they break a leg. Avoidable so why not? Smokers and obesity for sure. Starts to look like a social credit system that will only further divide the rich and the poor.
My post above was in reply to this one sorry
Kitkat151 · 16/01/2022 20:23

@whymewhyme

Absolutely digusting!!! I'd sent them a massive complaint letter.
Why?🙄 I think the driving instructor is perfectly within his rights.. .... no one gets in my car unvaccinated either
PinkSparklyPussyCat · 16/01/2022 20:28

no one gets in my car unvaccinated either

How do you know? Do you ask to see proof of vaccination?

Itsnotover · 16/01/2022 20:34

Cars are an excellent way to ensure you catch a virus from someone else who had it. I don’t blame a driving school for not wanting an unvaccinated person in their car.

The problem with a lot of people not having the vaccines is that they don’t take any other precautions either and go to these stupid marches. The two mindsets tend to go together unfortunately.

MusicTeacherSussex · 16/01/2022 20:37

If it's a private service then I guess its upto them, just as its upto you to skip out on vaccinations. YABU to be annoyed.

MaxNormal · 16/01/2022 20:38

I really wish people would stop conflating unvaccinated people with anti-vaxxers.

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TheChip · 16/01/2022 20:41

@Itsnotover

Cars are an excellent way to ensure you catch a virus from someone else who had it. I don’t blame a driving school for not wanting an unvaccinated person in their car.

The problem with a lot of people not having the vaccines is that they don’t take any other precautions either and go to these stupid marches. The two mindsets tend to go together unfortunately.

What? So because I havent had the vaccine then that must mean that I attend marches and do not take any precautions?

Do you really believe that every single person who has not had the vaccine is like that?

I've already said further up thread, that I take more precautions than my dad who is triple vaccinated.

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XenoBitch · 16/01/2022 20:41

@Itsnotover

Cars are an excellent way to ensure you catch a virus from someone else who had it. I don’t blame a driving school for not wanting an unvaccinated person in their car.

The problem with a lot of people not having the vaccines is that they don’t take any other precautions either and go to these stupid marches. The two mindsets tend to go together unfortunately.

I know many fully vaccinated people who do not take any other precautions whatsoever as they think they are safe and not a risk to other others.
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TheChip · 16/01/2022 20:42

@MusicTeacherSussex

If it's a private service then I guess its upto them, just as its upto you to skip out on vaccinations. YABU to be annoyed.
I am not annoyed
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Kitkat151 · 16/01/2022 20:45

@PinkSparklyPussyCat

no one gets in my car unvaccinated either

How do you know? Do you ask to see proof of vaccination?

The only people who go in my car are my kids, My partner, my mum, my grandkids, my friends....yes I’ve seen proof for all of these people ( bar my little grandies who are too young) ...I have seen all their nhs apps as I have either helped them set up .....or been to an event or a holiday with them where it’s been required Next question?
OssomMummy1 · 16/01/2022 20:47

If you are pregnant and working for that service provider, would you like to serve a customer who could be an asymptomatic carrier or a symptomatic person? The employer has as much duty of care to protecting his employees as much as avoid invading the privacy of his customer. Striking a balance between the two is a good option and one such move is simply asking the customer to show their nhs app or COVID pass. I don’t think it is too much to ask for.

nojudgementhere · 16/01/2022 20:48

I'd actually go out of my way to avoid somebody as discriminatory as this driving instructor so think that if businesses are going down that path then they should be made to advertise the fact openly so that everyone's aware of what they're like. At least then people would have the option of booking lessons with someone a bit more rational instead.

Belladonna12 · 16/01/2022 20:50

It is up to them. You might say that you will do a lateral flow test each time but why should they trust that will happen? They are sometimes in short supply and may not be free forever. Anyway, how do you know vaccinated people aren't going to be doing lateral flow tests? Many will.

Belladonna12 · 16/01/2022 20:52

@nojudgementhere

I'd actually go out of my way to avoid somebody as discriminatory as this driving instructor so think that if businesses are going down that path then they should be made to advertise the fact openly so that everyone's aware of what they're like. At least then people would have the option of booking lessons with someone a bit more rational instead.
Many people would feel the opposite way.
PinkSparklyPussyCat · 16/01/2022 20:53

It seems very strange to be bothered about the vaccination status of friends and family @Kitkat151. Do you want proof of other vaccinations as well? MMR for example?

Genegenieee · 16/01/2022 20:53

@nojudgementhere - how is it discriminatory? I'm a lawyer and don't understand which leg you'd claim under

Thanks

TheVolturi · 16/01/2022 20:56

No one can be refused treatment can they. Its ridiculous to even think of it. Do we refuse nhs treatment for smokers, or alcoholics is it any different?

Itsnotover · 16/01/2022 20:59

@MaxNormal

I really wish people would stop conflating unvaccinated people with anti-vaxxers.

The trouble is, a lot of them are. It's disingenuous to say otherwise.

Itsnotover · 16/01/2022 21:00

Do you really believe that every single person who has not had the vaccine is like that?

No, but a lot are, sadly.

underneaththeash · 16/01/2022 21:06

It’s their choice.
Maybe they think if you can’t make good decisions around vaccination choices, uou won’t around driving either.

Whyevencare · 16/01/2022 21:07

@KatherineJaneway

I know they keep saying the vaccinated are much less likely to have it, but that really isn't the case. Vaccinated people are getting and transmitting it just as much as before.

Where are the statistical facts to back that up?

Scottish stats currently showing double jabbed have higher case rates than unvaccinated.

www.publichealthscotland.scot/publications/covid-19-statistical-report/covid-19-statistical-report-12-january-2022/

www.heraldscotland.com/news/19843315.covid-scotland-case-rates-lowest-unvaccinated-double-jabbed-elderly-drive-rise-hospital-admissions/

nojudgementhere · 16/01/2022 21:08

[quote Genegenieee]@nojudgementhere - how is it discriminatory? I'm a lawyer and don't understand which leg you'd claim under

Thanks [/quote]
It's discriminatory in an ethical sense because banning unvaccinated people from the car will not prevent the driving instructor from catching Covid. Their behaviour is based on illogical prejudice which in my opinion makes it morally dubious. However, I'm not complaining about that. If that's the stance they wish to take then good luck to them. I just think they should have to advertise this fact upfront as I personally would hate to find myself trapped in a car with someone so incredibly ill-informed and narrow minded!

XenoBitch · 16/01/2022 21:09

@underneaththeash

It’s their choice. Maybe they think if you can’t make good decisions around vaccination choices, uou won’t around driving either.
Vaccination choice and driving are worlds apart. I don't think anyone with half a brain cell would conflate the two.
PinkSparklyPussyCat · 16/01/2022 21:12

@underneaththeash

It’s their choice. Maybe they think if you can’t make good decisions around vaccination choices, uou won’t around driving either.
Then they're a bit thick aren't they?
Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 16/01/2022 21:15

It's discriminatory in an ethical sense because banning unvaccinated people from the car will not prevent the driving instructor from catching Covid. Their behaviour is based on illogical prejudice which in my opinion makes it morally dubious.

There's nothing that can prevent the instructor catching covid but there is lots they can do to reduce the risk including choosing not to be in close proximity with people who are more likely to catch covid and therefore more likely to spread it. It is morally dubious in my opinion to believe you have the choice to make decisions about your own health but others do not.

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