Refusing services to unvaccinated. What are your thoughts?

[TheChip]

I'm just curious to hear of people's thoughts on this.
I have currently been refused a service due to being unvaccinated, in the UK. Its not a service that would require close proximity like a hairdresser, but in the same space for a period of time.

My thoughts on it are while I understand and respect people's choices and comfort levels, I do find it hard to grasp when the virus is both passed between those vaccinated or unvaccinated. Even if you throw in the comments about how vaccination reduces transmission, it is still transmissible.

I would have been more than willing to LFT before every contact, and wear a mask. But this wasn't an option. Which I guess is the part I find most difficult to understand. That they would be comfortable and willing to be around those vaccinated, possibly even without testing. Which I'd expect testing to be expected for both vaccinated and unvaccinated for someone who is clearly so uncomfortable.

So yeah, what are your thoughts

Absolute nonsense.

Dividing the nation as 'clean' and 'dirty'.

I wouldn't get vaccinated. However, we had to change flights to go to Spain earlier in November as they were only allowing double vaccinated folk in as of December 1st.

Waiting to get my second and we are off to Spain again. We travel too much to give it up. So my hand was forced although I'm definitely not happy about it.

Would happily forego a pub/hairdressers/theatre etc etc here in the UK just out of principle.

@Whatiswrongwithmyknee

It's discriminatory in an ethical sense because banning unvaccinated people from the car will not prevent the driving instructor from catching Covid. Their behaviour is based on illogical prejudice which in my opinion makes it morally dubious.

There's nothing that can prevent the instructor catching covid but there is lots they can do to reduce the risk including choosing not to be in close proximity with people who are more likely to catch covid and therefore more likely to spread it. It is morally dubious in my opinion to believe you have the choice to make decisions about your own health but others do not.

This is assuming that everybody is the same though.

The vaccinated people around me are more likely to catch it than I am. I have a very limited lifestyle compared to those around me. So my chances of catching it are slim, even though I am unvaccinated.

@nojudgementhere

I think freedom of choice is neither prejudice, discrimination or morally dubious.

It's everyone's choice in this country to make the health decision as to whether to be vaccinated or not - unless in a category of persons who can't be vaccinated. Some people think they are better off vaccinated, some have views to the contrary.

Likewise, a private provider of services can make a choice as to whether to provide those services to someone who is unvaccinated or not - same free choice. They will also likely be basing it on their perceptions around their health or those of others.

You may not be of the same opinion and would make a different choice - that doesn't make someone with a different view to you prejudicial or discriminatory towards the unvaccinated. They are exercising the same free choice as the person who is unvaccinated.

@Genegenieee - I've already said that I have no issue with the fact that the driving instructor doesn't want to accept unvaccinated pupils. That's their perogative and I would only too happy to avoid them as they wouldn't meet the criteria I would be looking for in an instructor anyway. It would therefore be better all round surely if they were required to openly advertise their stance upfront to avoid wasting anyone's time?

[quote nojudgementhere]@Genegenieee - I've already said that I have no issue with the fact that the driving instructor doesn't want to accept unvaccinated pupils. That's their perogative and I would only too happy to avoid them as they wouldn't meet the criteria I would be looking for in an instructor anyway. It would therefore be better all round surely if they were required to openly advertise their stance upfront to avoid wasting anyone's time?[/quote]
Yes! It would be far better if they advertised it, instead of waiting until the day before a lesson!

I am lucky I didnt cancel those I was on a waiting list with thinking that I was sorted.

@TheChip - I'm glad you didn't cancel the other ones and hope you get your driving lessons soon. Best of luck!

@PinkSparklyPussyCat

It seems very strange to be bothered about the vaccination status of friends and family *@Kitkat151*. Do you want proof of other vaccinations as well? MMR for example?

I’ve never asked anybody for proof.....you are the one harping on about proof.....People have told me their vaccine status.....why is it strange that I am bothered about the vaccination status of people.....I had chemo last year and was significantly immunocompromised....I have had a 4th Covid jab as I am eligible for this .....do you think you are witty posting shit like this? Or do you just like being a goady fucker?

[quote nojudgementhere]@TheChip - I'm glad you didn't cancel the other ones and hope you get your driving lessons soon. Best of luck![/quote]
Thank you 🙂

@TheChip - To be fair, it sounds like you had a lucky escape. If they're really that paranoid about the very slightly inflated risk of catching Covid from an unvaccinated person, then they'd probably have been a nightmare driving instructor anyway - they'd no doubt have been endlessly diving for the dual controls in a futile attempt to 'keep themselves safe'!

I would absolutely love if businesses advertised their stance, though few seem to stick to it when pushed. I went for a West End play the other day, which asked for vax proof or a PCR test. The lady in front of me who had neither was let in anyway.

@JanisMoplin - I don't think they will though as they're probably aware of how silly it's likely to make them look in a few months time, as well as alienating a large number of potential future customers.

I am not sure it would alienate that many customers. But let's hope that in a few months, none of this is necessary.

Fingers crossed all of this ends in a few months. Judging by how other countries are going though, its hard to see us getting out of this so easily. Even though its all pointing that way.

They are entitled to their opinion and to do what they believe is the best to keep their families and themselves safe.

This applies to people who choose not to mix with unvaccinated people and also people who choose not to be vaccinated.

[quote nojudgementhere]@TheChip - To be fair, it sounds like you had a lucky escape. If they're really that paranoid about the very slightly inflated risk of catching Covid from an unvaccinated person, then they'd probably have been a nightmare driving instructor anyway - they'd no doubt have been endlessly diving for the dual controls in a futile attempt to 'keep themselves safe'![/quote]
Why have you chosen not be vaccinated? In a bid to 'keep yourself safe?'
Can you not see the irony?

I wouldn't serve you

I think it's unacceptable to ask and horribly discriminatory. The hysterical media and parliament are to blame for this. We should not be divided and I certainly won't support any company or event that discriminates in this way.

Those freedoms were removed by the government. They chose to implement damaging policies and limit the public's basic freedoms. We aren't school children who need to behave in order to get our toys back. Our freedoms are not theirs to take and the unvaccinated certainly don't owe the vaccinated anything. We should all be looking at Parliament and asking how anyone ever thought lockdown was acceptable and saying never again, not oooo so unfair the meany unvaxxed are piggybacking on my selfless good deed.

@Givemepickles

Those freedoms were removed by the government. They chose to implement damaging policies and limit the public's basic freedoms. We aren't school children who need to behave in order to get our toys back. Our freedoms are not theirs to take and the unvaccinated certainly don't owe the vaccinated anything. We should all be looking at Parliament and asking how anyone ever thought lockdown was acceptable and saying never again, not oooo so unfair the meany unvaxxed are piggybacking on my selfless good deed.

Completely agree!

@Givemepickles

Those freedoms were removed by the government. They chose to implement damaging policies and limit the public's basic freedoms. We aren't school children who need to behave in order to get our toys back. Our freedoms are not theirs to take and the unvaccinated certainly don't owe the vaccinated anything. We should all be looking at Parliament and asking how anyone ever thought lockdown was acceptable and saying never again, not oooo so unfair the meany unvaxxed are piggybacking on my selfless good deed.

The vaccinated don't owe the unvaccinated anything either. Everyone is making the right choice for them.

@Givemepickles

Those freedoms were removed by the government. They chose to implement damaging policies and limit the public's basic freedoms. We aren't school children who need to behave in order to get our toys back. Our freedoms are not theirs to take and the unvaccinated certainly don't owe the vaccinated anything. We should all be looking at Parliament and asking how anyone ever thought lockdown was acceptable and saying never again, not oooo so unfair the meany unvaxxed are piggybacking on my selfless good deed.

So by this reasoning, why should you have to pay taxes? Why should you not be a drink driver? Why should you pay council enforceable parking fines?

Are you seriously saying that we should have had no lockdowns and no vaccination programme? The carnage that would have resulted from that is quite unthinkable.

@nojudgementhere - well, again their choice to advertise or not and your prerogative to ask upon booking too.

Meh. I am so done with the moaning of the unvaxxed. Private providers can choose whom to serve, and you can choose to boycott them. For the time being.

If they were shunned from society completely, and you never had to cross paths with them again. You would still be at risk of catching it from those who are vaccinated.
@TheChip

Same risk?
Less risk?

Do you understand risk?

Do you really think that other people should be willing to accept your version of what is an acceptable risk?

Does your money give you that power?

AllyBama
I live in Western Australia and from the 31st of this month, the unvaccinated are going to come under the strictest restrictions in the world that I’m aware of. And I say this as a triple vaxxed ICU nurse, and even I went ‘oh wow’.

They won’t be able to visit any hospitals or aged care facilities, any drinking or dining at any hospitality venue (so from a posh restaurant right down to McDonald’s but they can get takeaway), no amusement parks or the zoo, no theatres or movie cinemas, no music festivals, no gyms, no indoor play centers (ie: soft play), the casino, bottle shops (the off license - you can’t buy alcohol in supermarkets here), no nightclubs or live music venues. For real. It’s all a bit surreal.

@AllyBama I live in Queensland, Australia and we had those restrictions put in place in December. We have to be double vaccinated and show proof to be able to eat in a restaurant or go to a theme park etc.

I was delayed in getting my first jab because I had the flu and I had to wait at least a week after symptoms had ended before I could get vaccinated. Then wait a further 3 weeks before my second jab. Because this was right before Christmas (with not enough notice) I missed out on planned Christmas events with dd. I had tickets for White Christmas at Movie World to take dd and lucky her dad was double vaccinated and he could still take her.

It seems like a small thing to be upset at missing out. But, this to me was precious family time and the magic of Christmas will one day be a bit less as my dd gets older. I don’t feel right about having freedom and autonomy taken away. I don’t like being told by my government that vaccinations won’t be made mandatory but on the other hand, if you want to be able to do certain things or go to certain places or have access to certain services then it actually is mandatory. I don’t like being lied to or mislead. The truth is that vaccinations have been made mandatory to be able to participate in society here in Australia.

I wonder if this is on the horizon for the UK. At the moment, you have freedom of choice.