Refusing services to unvaccinated. What are your thoughts?

[TheChip]

I'm just curious to hear of people's thoughts on this.
I have currently been refused a service due to being unvaccinated, in the UK. Its not a service that would require close proximity like a hairdresser, but in the same space for a period of time.

My thoughts on it are while I understand and respect people's choices and comfort levels, I do find it hard to grasp when the virus is both passed between those vaccinated or unvaccinated. Even if you throw in the comments about how vaccination reduces transmission, it is still transmissible.

I would have been more than willing to LFT before every contact, and wear a mask. But this wasn't an option. Which I guess is the part I find most difficult to understand. That they would be comfortable and willing to be around those vaccinated, possibly even without testing. Which I'd expect testing to be expected for both vaccinated and unvaccinated for someone who is clearly so uncomfortable.

So yeah, what are your thoughts

I would be in favour of these restrictions.

Personally when I know I have to be in close quarters with someone to prefer they are vaccinated. This isn't because the vaccine is perfect, but it reduces transmission and reduces likelihood of catching covid but most of all (medical reasons aside) it means that someone is taking covid seriously and not into conspiracy theories ... of them anti vaxxers I know personally they are also anti mask anti testing and into all kind of bizarre anti government things

@MaxNormal

Or I wonder if those sorts of comments come from an anti-vaxxer who is trying to make those that are ardently pro-vaxx look nuts

I'm starting to think that must be it. No-one can genuinely think that way, can they?

I’ve met a few people who do genuinely think that way and it’s honestly scares me.

I do wonder though if they would make those
comments to people’s faces or if they just save it for the safety of behind a screen.

But not everyone who is unvaccinated is an "anti vaxxer" I know I'm not.

Because you have taken a course of action that has the potential to negatively impact on others.

Other people (eg driving instructors) have the right to avoid the possible damaging consequences of being in close contact with you.

You have chosen your course of action others can chose theirs. They will have to live with the consequences of their actions, you will have to live with the consequences of yours.

I think it’s fine they refused....I wouldn’t want to sit next to you in a car either

How does it negatively impact others?

I understand people's concerns at the moment with isolation etc. But once all of that drops, and people no longer need to isolate. How would I then be negatively impacting people?

@TheChip

But not everyone who is unvaccinated is an "anti vaxxer" I know I'm not.

Same here. Am fed up with being labelled and put in boxes because of a medical procedure I have not had. Or that is means I must be careless in general and not give a fuck about other people.

I know two people who do not believe in or trust the vaccines at all. They do rant about it, and come out with some bizarre things. One is a Covid denier too. But both are fully vaccinated as they wanted to keep their jobs. So, what neat little box do they go in?

It astounds me that someone can claim to know so much about the morals of a total stranger based on whether or not they have had a series of injections.

@TheChip

How does it negatively impact others?

I understand people's concerns at the moment with isolation etc. But once all of that drops, and people no longer need to isolate. How would I then be negatively impacting people?

Because, and I think you know this, unvaccinated are more likely to pass it on than vaccinated people.

Because, and I think you know this, unvaccinated are more likely to pass it on than vaccinated people

Vaccinated people only get about ten weeks of reduced likelihood of infection, less with omicron. Which I don't really see as a problem if the vaccine is doing the important job of keeping them from becoming very ill, but it makes a nonsense of "avoiding the unvaccinated". Particularly any who have had prior infection.

I think it's more of a moral panic thing.

Theyre only more likely if they are infected. Since they don't have a vaccine that reduces symptoms, then chances are they will know and be able to isolate.

@MaxNormal

Because, and I think you know this, unvaccinated are more likely to pass it on than vaccinated people

Vaccinated people only get about ten weeks of reduced likelihood of infection, less with omicron. Which I don't really see as a problem if the vaccine is doing the important job of keeping them from becoming very ill, but it makes a nonsense of "avoiding the unvaccinated". Particularly any who have had prior infection.

I think it's more of a moral panic thing.

It doesn't matter whether you see it as a problem. The driving instructor does and it's his car.

@TheChip

Theyre only more likely if they are infected. Since they don't have a vaccine that reduces symptoms, then chances are they will know and be able to isolate.

So, more likely then. Pretty much my point.

My first thought was to say that's wrong but actually now you've said it's a driving instructor I agree with them not wanting to give you lessons because of the isolation thing. You could offer to pay for the lesson if you can't make it which would solve the issue I guess

It's your choice whether to use their services on the conditions they impose.

It's completely up to them who they serve. They are completely entitled to impose conditions. They wouldn't have to take you if you showed up drunk either.

@TheChip

Theyre only more likely if they are infected. Since they don't have a vaccine that reduces symptoms, then chances are they will know and be able to isolate.

Given a lot of people are asymotomatic that logic doesn’t work.

But shunning them completely is assuming that they are infected at all times, which just isn't the case.

If they were shunned from society completely, and you never had to cross paths with them again. You would still be at risk of catching it from those who are vaccinated.

@flippertyop

My first thought was to say that's wrong but actually now you've said it's a driving instructor I agree with them not wanting to give you lessons because of the isolation thing. You could offer to pay for the lesson if you can't make it which would solve the issue I guess

When I was learning to drive, I had to give my instructor 24 hours notice to cancel, otherwise I would still have to pay.

@TheChip

But shunning them completely is assuming that they are infected at all times, which just isn't the case.

If they were shunned from society completely, and you never had to cross paths with them again. You would still be at risk of catching it from those who are vaccinated.

But at the same time the only reason we aren’t completely in the shit at the moment is because so many people have been vaccinated.

The unvaccinated have a lot of freedoms at the moment that they wouldn’t have if everyone had took their approach!

But at the same time the only reason we aren’t completely in the shit at the moment is because so many people have been vaccinated.

The unvaccinated have a lot of freedoms at the moment that they wouldn’t have if everyone had took their approach!

Exactly right.

The risk can never be reduced to zero. Each person makes their own choice on where to draw the line. Some people have drawn it between vaccinated and unvaccinated people. Repeatedly saying "but you can catch it from vaccinated people" is pointless. Everybody knows this but you shut off the whole world but you can minimise contact with the group who are a bit more likely (as you have admitted) to pass it on.

This is my final post.

I hope you find a new driving instructor and that you pass your test.

Absolutely digusting!!! I'd sent them a massive complaint letter.

@DolphinFC

The risk can never be reduced to zero. Each person makes their own choice on where to draw the line. Some people have drawn it between vaccinated and unvaccinated people. Repeatedly saying "but you can catch it from vaccinated people" is pointless. Everybody knows this but you shut off the whole world but you can minimise contact with the group who are a bit more likely (as you have admitted) to pass it on.

This is my final post.

I hope you find a new driving instructor and that you pass your test.

Thank you, and thank you for explaining your point of view

I think it's disgusting, OP.

I have in fact been triply vaccinated, but that's my choice. It's your choice not to be vaccinated (or maybe you have a medical reason - none of my business, whatever the reason).

I would be more than happy for you to teach my children to drive. In fact, I'd be bloody glad, as the waiting lists are so long that they will be about 100 by the time they learn. One has been waiting for two years.

I didn’t say we should-I just said it made more sense than denying access to services.
But we do already tax risky choices like smoking, drinking and eating sugar.
to the poster who said it disproportionately affects the poor-yes good point so maybe make it income dependent?
It’s a fact that vast majority ICU beds are taken by people who haven’t been vaccinated so whilst everyone is unlikely to need hospital treatment, unvaccinated are much more likely to need very costly treatment if they do