Refusing services to unvaccinated. What are your thoughts?

[TheChip]

I'm just curious to hear of people's thoughts on this.
I have currently been refused a service due to being unvaccinated, in the UK. Its not a service that would require close proximity like a hairdresser, but in the same space for a period of time.

My thoughts on it are while I understand and respect people's choices and comfort levels, I do find it hard to grasp when the virus is both passed between those vaccinated or unvaccinated. Even if you throw in the comments about how vaccination reduces transmission, it is still transmissible.

I would have been more than willing to LFT before every contact, and wear a mask. But this wasn't an option. Which I guess is the part I find most difficult to understand. That they would be comfortable and willing to be around those vaccinated, possibly even without testing. Which I'd expect testing to be expected for both vaccinated and unvaccinated for someone who is clearly so uncomfortable.

So yeah, what are your thoughts

Isn't avoiding those who haven't been vaccinated just the same then? Focusing on worst case scenario.

That's an irrelevant comment. The point was that was that in relation to a isk assessment you consider both likelihood and severity of outcome. Suggesting you need to consider frequency in addition to severity does not mean that considering severity is invalid or inappropriate.

Isn't avoiding those who haven't been vaccinated just the same then? Focusing on worst case scenario.

You are downplaying the seriousness of covid here.

Omicron is extremely contagious. It has contributed to a spike in hospitalisation, especially hospitalisation of children and other unvaccinated people, but has also caused serious illness in vaccinated people.

You do not know how many immunocompromised people live in the household of your driving instructor. A person with symptoms that are mild can pass on serious illness to someone else.

Seriously just accept a difference of opinion and move on.

Fair enough. Private businesses can choose to protect their staff and other customers how they wish. If it's your choice not to be vaccinated it's their choice not to serve you. Both freedoms of choice.

@SantaClawsServiette

RSV is more dangerous than covid to kids, as is the flu. Even those not immunosupressed.

And no, covid isn't dangerous to most people.

Flu and RSV are nowhere as infectious or prevalent. Regardless, we are talking about immuncompromised people, not healthy children.

Oh yawn. It's the driving instructors decision.

@MistressoftheDarkSide

Something struck me today, as I follow these threads in my very brief downtime at the moment.

In the justice system as such in a broad sense, especially when capital punishment is on the table, there is a saying about better that 10 guilty people go free than an innocent be wrongly imprisoned or executed.

I see parallels with the attitude to adverse effects and deaths - which I accept are vanishingly rare as far as we know - except it's reversed - collateral damage amongst the adversely affected vaccinated is seen as a necessary evil.

Before the howls about but "Covid" is worse, the difference is that we understand that illness of any stripe is a lottery created by nature, which we fight with advances in medicine and science. Anyone is free, if deemed capable of informed consent, to refuse treatment for their personal reasons.

With the politics, the moral arguments and coercion in this giant worldwide experiment with multiple vaccines and multiple risks, it would be insane to think there wouldn't be people with valid concerns in these unprecedented times. Incompetence and corruption at state level is responsible for much if this, as is the fact that some health related initiatives have gone wrong in the past, and people have been shafted by general systemic failures be ause they don't fit the statistics but there's little room for manouevre and of course more political considerations.

What I'm trying to say, though it feels incoherent because stress at the moment, until you're that one outlier having the shitty outcome, for these reasons, maybe on multiple occasions, you can't understand the fear of new risk factors being introduced and the need to maintain a modicum of control. Hounding and coercing and threatening people, dividing society and pandering to media generated hysteria is making everything a hundred times worse than it needs to be.

But I guess that's the world we live in now.

Well said. One of the best posts on this board.

Also to respond to some other recent posts. I don't for one second believe the majority of those who took the vaccines did so for altruistic reasons. Especially those in the Younger or non risk groups.

When the State decrees vaccination is required to do normal things like go to a nightclub with other very low risk people, it supports my theory people did it for purely selfish reasons as they were cajoled into it.

@Bouledeneige

Fair enough. Private businesses can choose to protect their staff and other customers how they wish. If it's your choice not to be vaccinated it's their choice not to serve you. Both freedoms of choice.

But Private Business is not being given that choice either in Australia's case. A shop owner can't say 'I'm Ok with non vaccinated shopping here' as the Goverment are making it unlawful for them to enter the shop.