Refusing services to unvaccinated. What are your thoughts?

[TheChip]

I'm just curious to hear of people's thoughts on this.
I have currently been refused a service due to being unvaccinated, in the UK. Its not a service that would require close proximity like a hairdresser, but in the same space for a period of time.

My thoughts on it are while I understand and respect people's choices and comfort levels, I do find it hard to grasp when the virus is both passed between those vaccinated or unvaccinated. Even if you throw in the comments about how vaccination reduces transmission, it is still transmissible.

I would have been more than willing to LFT before every contact, and wear a mask. But this wasn't an option. Which I guess is the part I find most difficult to understand. That they would be comfortable and willing to be around those vaccinated, possibly even without testing. Which I'd expect testing to be expected for both vaccinated and unvaccinated for someone who is clearly so uncomfortable.

So yeah, what are your thoughts

But their vaccinated pupils are just as much likely to infect them as I am. If not more so if they aren't being asked to test beforehand

They have every right to insist on both and masks, I would. Most sensible people would LFT before having a driving lesson.

I'm currently visiting friends in Spain. I have to show my vaccination certificate to get into a bar or restaurant. No proof means no entry.

@User6397254 I know two people who have an official medical exemption. One of them only just got it though, I think it takes a while hence it not being something most people have heard of yet.

@TheChip
I didn't say you were.

If you're questioning the driving instructors decision then how can you be surprised when people question yours?

[quote Sherrystrull]@TheChip
I didn't say you were.

If you're questioning the driving instructors decision then how can you be surprised when people question yours?[/quote]
My apologies then. It just sounded like you were since your comment was in response to me saying I hadn't seen anybody trying to deny the freedom of choice to others.

As for being surprised that people are questioning my decision, I'm not.

Up to the driving instructor. We were considering a nanny and my criteria was vaccinated and LFT. I appreciated that I couldn’t dictate in the slightest what they did in their off time but felt both these things would reduce risk (the LFTs more than vaccination admittedly but I’d have wanted both).
Part of my reason is that those that I know that aren’t vaccinated also have the attitude that ‘COVID’s not a big deal’. Appreciate that there are other reasons not to be vaccinated but that’s my personal experience.
I’m CEV.

Thanks @MrsGaskthrill, some exemptions are coming through then.

Damn that might be right as a generalisation but not all of us who have not had the vaccination share the view covid is not big deal. I don't go out much (not even had a night away since 2019) and don't have small children so not on anyone assessment a particularly big covid risk and am pretty careful and have chosen not to have the covid vaccine.

Anyway we will have to see how it plays out and who by July 2022 in the UK has had enough boosters that the vaccine is still playing a big roll in either reducing serious illness or reducing their chance of catching covid. I am not sure we will move to a booster every few months for 4 years but we shall see.

@Qwertykeys

I think although you are prepared to respect other’s decisions to not offer you a service, as they respect your decision not to be vaccinated you need to prepare for more restrictions if you remain un vaccinated. I think Australia are leading the way in how the world will become.

God I hope not - what a terrifying thought! It seems highly unlikely however, as the papers were all talking about how even Plan B is going to be dismantled in the next couple of weeks. 😀

I think the way countries like Australia, Austria, Italy and France are treating their citizens will be looked back on in horror by future generations. i feel so sorry for the people there who are being coerced and bullied into having a medical intervention they don't want, and in many cases don't need. It's really dark times.

If the driving instructor is genuinely nervous for his health then he has my sympathy. I personally think his basis for deciding who is safe to get in his car is flawed, as many of the 17/18 year olds I know have had Covid more than once despite being double jabbed, but it's not really any of my business. What makes me sad are the people who are bright enough to know that it's not going to affect whether or not they catch Covid, but are just using their supposed fear as an excuse to take out their anger and bitterness on people who have made a different choice to them. All this is doing is creating a society that's more miserable and more divided than ever, which is not good for anyone.

I’ve never asked anybody for proof.....you are the one harping on about proof.....People have told me their vaccine status.....why is it strange that I am bothered about the vaccination status of people.....I had chemo last year and was significantly immunocompromised....I have had a 4th Covid jab as I am eligible for this .....do you think you are witty posting shit like this? Or do you just like being a goady fucker?

Of course it's not strange as you're CEV but obviously I didn't know that. I was 'harping on' as you put it about proof as I was genuinely wondering how you knew. Knowing you're CEV it makes perfect sense and I'm sorry if I offended you.

I wasn't trying to be witty or a goody fucker with the MMR comment. There is so much hysteria about the bloody covid vaccine that I do wonder why people don't feel the same about other vaccines.

Again, I'm sorry if I offended you, it wasn't my intention.

I caught Delta from my unvaccinated school child, after spending 45 minutes in the car together. It was a nasty large viral load too I think, as I was too ill to work for a long time.
I was double jabbed at the time, only 2 months since my second dose too.

It showed me cars are highly transmissable places, but that vaccines don't stop it either.

In this case, it's their car, their rules, just as it is your body, your rules.

@HandsOffMyRights

I caught Delta from my unvaccinated school child, after spending 45 minutes in the car together. It was a nasty large viral load too I think, as I was too ill to work for a long time. I was double jabbed at the time, only 2 months since my second dose too.

It showed me cars are highly transmissable places, but that vaccines don't stop it either.

In this case, it's their car, their rules, just as it is your body, your rules.

Just out of interest Presumably you were with your child other times beyond that one journey?

What makes me sad are the people who are bright enough to know that it's not going to affect whether or not they catch Covid

But it will?? Why do you think it won't? Unvaccinated people are more likely to have Covid and therefore more likely to spread it.

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Not in close contact, no. He's a teen, so we weren't in a room together in that time frame.
We have a large house with separate bathrooms etc (that's how I managed to avoid Alpha I think when my other teen had it in 2020).
Nobody else in our house caught Delta, just the person (me) who was confined in the car with the teen.

@TheChip why this instructor has made the choice they have when they are at risk all the same.

Because they wanted to and have the right to just like the premise of your post- “I have the right to choose to be vaccinated but I want to complain and get the internet to comment on the rights and choice of other people”. Any reasoning (including the misinformation about vaccination) your posts is irrelevant.

Wow, you must really keep your distance if you can pin point exact point you had close connect with your child

@Grantanow

If I were a driving instructor with medical vulnerabilities or elderly I would not accept unvaccinated learners and I would want all learners to take an LFT before a lesson. It might affect my income negatively but that would be a price worth paying.

If I were a driving instructor with medical vulnerabilities or elderly I would be looking for a new job that doesn't involve close contact with anyone.

@user76437990 The main point of my post is in the title. What peoples thoughts are on unvaccinated being refused services.

My post about the instructor was just one example of that possibly happening (which doesnt seem like that was the case). My questions about the instructor were not questioning their choices. Id already said I respect their choice. I was confused over what their thought process could be around it as it didn't make sense to me. Someone pointed out that my isolation period during lessons would be more disruptive and that makes perfect sense to me.

My complaint about the instructor was that they waited until the day before my lessons to tell me that being unvaccinated was a problem for them.

Gem, you’re probably doing them a favour tbh. I’m vaccinated and wouldn’t want to be around as hard of thinking, judgemental and intolerant as you.

These threads are going to keep coming thick and fast aren't they.

I don't know, I previously thought that no one should be forced or coerced into having a vaccine, and I still hardly think that it's a great thing for countries to do. But at the same time, I question the intelligence of anyone who refuses a vaccine unless they have genuine medical grounds to do so. The statistics are clear that if we're talking about risk, covid is a far bigger risk to the vast majority of people.

Also, all the people choosing not to get a vaccine are perfectly happy to reap the benefits from the 'risk' that everyone else chose to take- many of whom were getting vaccinated because they thought that it would allow us to return to normal life. And vaccinations have been the way out of this pandemic.

OP is talking about driving lessons specifically- well I began learning in the autumn of 2019. My test was originally booked for early April 2020 but of course was cancelled because of the pandemic. It wasn't until the July that I could restart lessons and I took my test in the September with the added pressure of knowing that if I failed, it would be months and months before I could book another. Somehow I miraculously passed- but it was definitely added pressure.

I can't help but feel OP that the reason you are even able to get at start driving lessons with hopefully no interruptions to your learning is because of the success of the vaccines which has thank god stopped more restrictions and lockdowns being necessary this winter. I don't blame the driving instructor at all for wanting her pupils to be vaccinated.

I think Rafa Nadal summed it up well when discussing Novak Djokovic- he is rightly free to make his own choices but the choice of not being vaccinated has consequences.

If I were a driving instructor with medical vulnerabilities or elderly I would be looking for a new job that doesn't involve close contact with anyone.

So people who are vulnerable should look give up their jobs so that unvaccinated people are not inconvenienced?

People do have to give up their jobs for all sorts of reasons and being vulnerable to Covid is probably one of them.

I think it's fine to refuse service to the unvaccinated. If it's a private business it's their choice.

I would unless it was a medical exemption.

I was confused over what their thought process could be around it as it didn't make sense to me.

The same could be said of how the vaccinated consider those choosing not to get vaccinated. There is nothing an unvaccinated person can say to me which seems like a logical position. Hopefully your answer has been clarified here - you are more likely to give them covid.