Refusing services to unvaccinated. What are your thoughts?

[TheChip]

I'm just curious to hear of people's thoughts on this.
I have currently been refused a service due to being unvaccinated, in the UK. Its not a service that would require close proximity like a hairdresser, but in the same space for a period of time.

My thoughts on it are while I understand and respect people's choices and comfort levels, I do find it hard to grasp when the virus is both passed between those vaccinated or unvaccinated. Even if you throw in the comments about how vaccination reduces transmission, it is still transmissible.

I would have been more than willing to LFT before every contact, and wear a mask. But this wasn't an option. Which I guess is the part I find most difficult to understand. That they would be comfortable and willing to be around those vaccinated, possibly even without testing. Which I'd expect testing to be expected for both vaccinated and unvaccinated for someone who is clearly so uncomfortable.

So yeah, what are your thoughts

If that's what the business want its up to them to choose my friends daughter just got the sack because she's not vaccinated

@User6397254

People do have to give up their jobs for all sorts of reasons and being vulnerable to Covid is probably one of them.

I'm sure that some people have had to give up their jobs. However, in other cases, adjustments have been made so the risk of covid is reduced and the person can continue to do their job.

Most of our population are complying
Genuine wondering about this. If Australia gov are making it virtually impossible to live a life without the vaccines, then how much of it is willing compliance, and how much is because people literally don't have a choice.

@Neron

Most of our population are complying Genuine wondering about this. If Australia gov are making it virtually impossible to live a life without the vaccines, then how much of it is willing compliance, and how much is because people literally don't have a choice.

It's probably mostly the latter.

I have decided I will only have another booster if there's at least a year between that and the last one. I Pfizer the government decide it should be every 3 or 4 months I won't do it. Does that mean I'll never be fully vaccinated as I've missed a booster?

I have decided I will only have another booster if there's at least a year between that and the last one. I Pfizer the government decide it should be every 3 or 4 months I won't do it. Does that mean I'll never be fully vaccinated as I've missed a booster?

I’ll continue to look at the data in context to any further vaccines needed. As those offered currently don’t seem to last that long and this is causing a massive burden on the government, resources and medical staff in supplying and administering, how sustainable will it be to jab everyone every 3-4 months?

Hoping that future vaccines will protect for a longer period of time I feel they will fall in line with others offered to certain groups at increased vulnerability eg the flu, pneumococcal and shingles jabs. They might also be included as compulsory or recommended when travelling to other countries like typhoid, hepatitis and other jabs.

@Neron

Most of our population are complying Genuine wondering about this. If Australia gov are making it virtually impossible to live a life without the vaccines, then how much of it is willing compliance, and how much is because people literally don't have a choice.

So hard to quantify isn’t it. Does it depend on your background, socioeconomic status, job? By and large most people I know have been more than willing to do what is necessary to minimise transmission, reduce hospitalisation, burden on the health system etc. But obviously as an ICU, that’s my bias and the same of my friends and family. There’s plenty of others who have a different opinion to mine, rightly or wrongly but I wonder what our (in Australia and in WA) body count would have looked like without the restrictions and occupation required vaccinations. Very much higher I think.

I don't believe it's possible for everyone to have vaccines every 3-4 months @over50andfab. Let's be honest, they are relying on volunteers now and that can't last forever.

Hopefully the future vaccines will offer at least a year's protection. I wouldn't travel anywhere that had vaccine requirements in the past so if I need a covid vaccine it'll just reduce the countries I can travel!

As an ICU *nurse I should say (a tired one)

It's probably mostly the latter.

Why would it be mostly the latter though (assuming you mean people are only complying because they have to)? In the UK 90% of people have chosen to get vaccinated even though they don't have to so why assume it would be any different in Australia?

@Belladonna12

It's probably mostly the latter.

Why would it be mostly the latter though (assuming you mean people are only complying because they have to)? In the UK 90% of people have chosen to get vaccinated even though they don't have to so why assume it would be any different in Australia?

Many people got vaccinated to keep their jobs. Don't assume every person who has been vaccinated was happy to do so.

Many people got vaccinated to keep their jobs. Don't assume every person who has been vaccinated was happy to do so.

I'm not assuming anything. In the UK noone apart from careworkers has had to get vaccinated to keep their jobs.

Why would it be mostly the latter though (assuming you mean people are only complying because they have to)? In the UK 90% of people have chosen to get vaccinated even though they don't have to so why assume it would be any different in Australia?

I only did it so I had a vaccine passport to travel, for concerts etc, not for 'the greater good' (God I hate that phrase).

I only did it so I had a vaccine passport to travel, for concerts etc, not for 'the greater good' (God I hate that phrase).

It wasn't to keep your job though was it and considering that travel and concerts are hardly a necessity you didn't actually "have to" be vaccinated.

It wasn't to keep your job though was it and considering that travel and concerts are hardly a necessity you didn't actually "have to" be vaccinated.

No and I disagree about people being forced to take vaccines for their jobs unless it's part of the contract when they are first employed.

If I want to do things that I enjoy, e.g. travel, I do have to take the vaccine. Travel and concerts clearly aren't essential but they were a big part of my life and part that I want back rather than the half life we've been living for the last two years.

@Belladonna12

I only did it so I had a vaccine passport to travel, for concerts etc, not for 'the greater good' (God I hate that phrase).

It wasn't to keep your job though was it and considering that travel and concerts are hardly a necessity you didn't actually "have to" be vaccinated.

No one should need to have a medical procedure to access things like nightclubs or the theatre.

We have been sold the idea that unless we have the vaccine, we wont be able to lead a full life with all the enjoyment like things such as the theatre etc brings. It is coercion, and makes a mockery of consent.

@Xenia - sure - I accept that someone unvaccinated who is leading a more isolated life should be lower risk of passing various viruses (all of which I don’t want at the moment!) including Covid on than someone who is Covid vaccinated but out mixing with lots of people all the time. But it’s a way of screening when you don’t know someone, what their rationale or their other risk factors are.

I'd be interested in who is going to police these requirements anyway. How long will a store owner employ somebody to check who is vaccinated or not? Is it really up to them to monitor it? Likewise all the other 'restricted' places.

@Youarefakenews

I'd be interested in who is going to police these requirements anyway. How long will a store owner employ somebody to check who is vaccinated or not? Is it really up to them to monitor it? Likewise all the other 'restricted' places.

Exactly. At some point the idiots will get bored and move on from their vaccination fixation. It's very annoying in the meantime but if someone wants to kick themselves up their own arse, let them.

@Youarefakenews

I'd be interested in who is going to police these requirements anyway. How long will a store owner employ somebody to check who is vaccinated or not? Is it really up to them to monitor it? Likewise all the other 'restricted' places.

Yeah, how long will the driving instructor OP was on about keep this up for?

It's ridiculous and discrimination. How do they not know you can't take the vaccines because of a medical condition? Many people can't because it'll interact with their condition and make them worse or have allergies.
I'm so over these people taking the "law" unto themselves, I have family members who won't see me in person because I haven't had the vaccine yet I'm not allowed to have it because of my allergies, I had one and it stopped me breathing!
Luckily I was still at the surgery so they stabbed a epi pen into me (I would of definitely of died if I had left straight away) but it made me horrifically unwell and have developed neurological problems since having it which the doctor says is related and no more jabs. The funny thing is... my DC caught covid and I was interacting with him the whole time (obviously can't isolate from my children!) and I didn't catch it..
Yet I know loads of people who are triple vaccinated and have caught covid two, three times! 😳

My views are that unvaccinated people (not medically exempt) are being "carried" by all the vaccinated people.

No one should need to have a medical procedure to access things like nightclubs or the theatre.

Nobody does need to "undergo a medical procedure" to access things like night clubs and theatres in England and yet 90% of the eligible population have been vaccinated which suggests that it is not the case that "most" people are only vaccinated because they have to be by as suggested by a previous poster.

@BooksAndGin

It's ridiculous and discrimination. How do they not know you can't take the vaccines because of a medical condition? Many people can't because it'll interact with their condition and make them worse or have allergies. I'm so over these people taking the "law" unto themselves, I have family members who won't see me in person because I haven't had the vaccine yet I'm not allowed to have it because of my allergies, I had one and it stopped me breathing! Luckily I was still at the surgery so they stabbed a epi pen into me (I would of definitely of died if I had left straight away) but it made me horrifically unwell and have developed neurological problems since having it which the doctor says is related and no more jabs. The funny thing is... my DC caught covid and I was interacting with him the whole time (obviously can't isolate from my children!) and I didn't catch it.. Yet I know loads of people who are triple vaccinated and have caught covid two, three times! 😳

I think the driving instructor asked if there was a medical reason so they did know there wasn't.