Campaign to review child covid vaccination by Gt Ormond St Hospital expert

[perfectSmiles3]

Without the intent to cause panic... why is this not in the news?

There was an open letter sent to JCVI (copy of the letter is online) signed by about 15 well-regarded medical professionals and an even greater number of MPs urging the JCVI to review the current child vaccination programme.

I've also come across an interview with one of the signatories, Prof Brent Taylor, Emeritus Professor of Community Child Health, UCL Great Ormond Street Institute of Child Health discussing their concerns and the letter. I find it very unnerving listening to his words.

The vast majority of us who question vaccine use, are NOT saying don't take the vaccine. We are simply saying that we should be given the option to assess the benefit in each individual case.

@Youarefakenews

You think @perfectSmiles3 is spamming about this campaign on multiple thread, and sharing her generally anti-vax, anti-covid views because she wants to "assess the benefit" for herself?

No. She - for whatever fucked up reason - wants others not to take the vaccine, or to persuade their children not to.

Someone can't claim to want to campaign for choice, whilst simultaneously taking that choice from others.

Not one of the scientists can say with all certainty the long term effects of the vaccines.

Many scientists have patiently, repeatedly, explained how a vaccine cannot cause side effects that only emerge in the long term. There have been many who have shared this on MN in response to this claim.

This doesn't mean that we shouldn't be vigilant & criticial about emerging data regarding vaccine side effects in specific age groups, but this argument is not relevant.

Can you say with all certainty that the vaccine will have no effect on fertility?
Scientists & medics will never say that something is impossible, but again there is no biological rationale for the vaccine impacting on fertility.

The evidence has been summarised by a reproductive immunologist who is well qualified to comment:

twitter.com/VikiLovesFACS/status/1367099701238116353

@Piggywaspushed

But if we can only discuss looking at figures up to age 14 that's unhelpful. The eligible vaccination age group under discussion is largely 14 and above.

I don't think anyone has suggested Tigressellie's figures are wrong.

I totally agree, The ONS should of had the age groupings to include up to 18. Instead they grouped 16 Year olds in with the middle aged. Makes no sense!

'Can you say with all certainty that the vaccine will have no effect on fertility?
Scientists & medics will never say that something is impossible, but again there is no biological rationale for the vaccine impacting on fertility.'

Then explain the biological rationale of Women having disturbed Cycles several months on.

Why don't you read the summary of evidence linked above @Youarefakenews?

A genuine expert, a reproductive immunologist, together with her research team, have synthesised the current evidence on this.

Changes to the menstrual cycle, which often occur in response to activation of the immune system (be that from infection or vaccination), do not equate to changes in fertility.

If you still don't agree or want to discuss further then fair enough @Youarefakenews, but it makes sense to actually try and understand why experts say this, and the evidence behind these statements

So what if the vaccine gives you temporary, non serious, self-resolving myocarditis - temporary inflammation of the heart muscle, as long as it's not serious or long term? lots of things do - every time you get flu or a cold virus, after a massive bender, smoking, stress. And covid itself. As long as it's not acute or severe or long lasting (like when you get it from covid itself) it's not an issue. How many boys have died as a result of it being post vaccine? One with underlying health issues?

Stop scaremongering.

@Sonex

So what if the vaccine gives you temporary, non serious, self-resolving myocarditis - temporary inflammation of the heart muscle, as long as it's not serious or long term? lots of things do - every time you get flu or a cold virus, after a massive bender, smoking, stress. And covid itself. As long as it's not acute or severe or long lasting (like when you get it from covid itself) it's not an issue. How many boys have died as a result of it being post vaccine? One with underlying health issues?

Stop scaremongering.

I don't know, how many boys died of it? How many went on to have non resolving myocarditis after getting Covid?

Olly, I am happy to read information by experts, I have a great scepticism of 'Scientists' that need to use Twitter to get their opinions out there.

Olly, I am happy to read information by experts, I have a great scepticism of 'Scientists' that need to use Twitter to get their opinions out there.

Eh? I think your suspicion is a little misplaced, as I have said, she is leading reproductive immunologist and you can corroborate her details on the Imperial College London website.

She has kindly summarised the current evidence, and linked to it on her twitter feed. Maybe she will publish a review article, maybe not, but it's the best summary of what we know that I have personally seen.

And to add to that - all of the statements in her summary are referenced with the original manuscripts. So if you are so inclined you can check it out yourself, but obviously this requires a great deal of time and specalist knowledge.

This is why we depend on people working in the field to synthesise evidence @Youarefakenews

@Sonex

So what if the vaccine gives you temporary, non serious, self-resolving myocarditis - temporary inflammation of the heart muscle, as long as it's not serious or long term? lots of things do - every time you get flu or a cold virus, after a massive bender, smoking, stress. And covid itself. As long as it's not acute or severe or long lasting (like when you get it from covid itself) it's not an issue. How many boys have died as a result of it being post vaccine? One with underlying health issues?

Stop scaremongering.

Wow

Some positive findings here in terms of vaccine safety compared to infection.

“Another study, released in December 2021 assessed 140 episodes of confirmed or probable myocarditis following vaccination among adolescents and young adults. It found 19% of patients were sent to intensive care. None, however, died or required extracorporeal membrane oxygenation treatment, or Ecmo, where blood is cycled through an artificial lung machine before returning it to the body. The study concluded that “most cases of suspected COVID-19 vaccine myocarditis occurring in [people under 21] have a mild clinical course with rapid resolution of symptoms.””

To be very clear, that’s not “19% of people who received the vaccine”, it’s “19% of the group who had suspected myocarditis”.

“A preprint study (which has not been peer reviewed) published in July assessed the risk of myocarditis after a Covid infection in under 20s based on more than 34,000 medical records. In males between 12 to 17-years old, there were 450 cases of myocarditis per million infections after adjustment for missed cases and infections. For females in the same age group there were 213 per million cases”

“Recent data from the US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention showed that of over seven million doses of the Pfizer vaccine administered to children aged five to 11, there were eight reports of adverse reactions which met the “myocarditis case definition””

fullfact.org/health/covid-vaccine-myocarditis-false/

@Youarefakenews some of my post may answer your question.

One study (from my post above) estimated 450 cases per million of myocarditis following covid infection. (Smaller sample size though so I’ll be interested to see the peer reviewed version of that one.)

This chart from the CDC this month - myocarditis post 2nd dose of vaccine was 45 per million in 12-15s, 70 per million in 16-17s.

The myocarditis issue is far from settled. Please don’t spread misinformation

The governments own review actually says this, read it for yourself. And given a lot of what they are relying on is the Yellow Card System, it really isn’t suffice to say it’s nothing, yet, it might be, but you can’t say that. “There are signals of an increased risk of myocarditis”

www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-myocarditis-and-pericarditis-information-for-healthcare-professionals/information-for-healthcare-professionals-on-myocarditis-and-pericarditis-following-covid-19-vaccination

@hamstersarse Who are you talking to? I’m not saying that snappily, it’s sometimes not easy to tell!

Do you mean signals of an increased risk of myocarditis after vaccination or after infection in your last sentence?

If you were replying to me - I believe the article you posted backs up my post with around 40 per million myocarditis cases after the vaccine (far fewer per million than is reported after covid infection).

PHYTF are you a spoof account taking the piss out of anti vaxxers? I thought the 'sacrificing' of children line was particularly good! You should work 'purebloods' into your next post for extra authenticity that seems to be gaining traction lately.

[quote BewareTheLibrarians]@Youarefakenews some of my post may answer your question.

One study (from my post above) estimated 450 cases per million of myocarditis following covid infection. (Smaller sample size though so I’ll be interested to see the peer reviewed version of that one.)

This chart from the CDC this month - myocarditis post 2nd dose of vaccine was 45 per million in 12-15s, 70 per million in 16-17s.[/quote]
There's a big sex difference too.

Denying females the vaccine because of a risk that is extremely rare for them but is higher for males is an example of sex discrimination. Even if only girls were offered the choice, that would probably benefit everyone because of the reduction in transmission.

Children in school at the moment are essentially being forcibly infected with covid. No-one would think this was ok in a research study, so why's it ok in UK schools?

There are virtually no mitigations (none in primary and none other than masks in secondary), no access to vaccination for under 12s and no restrictions in the rest of society to try and bring community infection rates down. Fines if you keep your kids off. Teachers are going off sick and loads of kids only a week into term, it's very disruptive to education.

The lack of care for children is chilling.