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that is one brave doctor

501 replies

MrsLargeEmbodied · 09/01/2022 09:20

to speak about not having the vaccination
www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/08/nhs-doctor-challenges-sajid-javid-over-covid-vaccination-rules

he has had a lot of support

OP posts:
RitaHaywort · 09/01/2022 20:20

@ancientgran
Well obviously people in my age group never need to use the NHS because it is a well known fact that the older you are the healthier you are. I referred to your comment about midwives.

MarshaBradyo · 09/01/2022 20:21

@ancientgran

You might not like it but you will be waiting longer if this happens. I'd rather be safe thanks but I think it is unfair for people to support non vaccination and then want to see the safer option.
Don’t be silly.

I don’t support sacking valuable NHS staff. You have become fixated on this meaning I support being unvaccinated. I’m pro vaccine and any posts will say this.

I prefer people to stay and not be fired.

I’ll see either if they don’t go ahead with it, hopefully not. As many will lose out. And not theoretically but in reality - being stuck waiting in hospital is hellish. I’ve done it and have seen how women coped. It was pretty bad for some.

ancientgran · 09/01/2022 20:22

[quote RitaHaywort]@ancientgran
Well obviously people in my age group never need to use the NHS because it is a well known fact that the older you are the healthier you are. I referred to your comment about midwives.[/quote]
The NHS is more than midwifery. I certainly didn't mean only midwives should have the vaccination, the doctor the thread is about isn't a midwife.

LethargicActress · 09/01/2022 20:23

@ancientgran

You might not like it but you will be waiting longer if this happens. I'd rather be safe thanks but I think it is unfair for people to support non vaccination and then want to see the safer option.
Has anyone said that’s what they’d expect? Sorry if I’ve missed it.

I’m protected (or not) by my own vaccines, so I’ll gratefully take treatment from unvaccinated nhs staff should I need them.

Although I can’t really see making the NHS sorting patients in to ‘pro choice’ and ‘pro mandatory vaccination’ groups would be a very good use of their resources.

Tumbleweed101 · 09/01/2022 20:25

I'm on the fence with vaccines, but weighing up my own age, risk factors etc I've had the jabs and booster. My daughter is a NA for NHS and caught covid christmas 2020 before vaccines were available. For her own reasons she doesn't want the vaccine. She has been exposed to covid frequently since she had it (caught it two weeks after starting in NHS on a covid ward) but not had it since. I'm agreeing that natural immunity is at least as good as vaccination.

I never caught it despite living in same house as her when she had covid. I have worked all through lockdowns etc in a nursery exposed to a whole host of viruses and not caught covid yet. I have been jabbed but suspect my immune system is used to being kept busy and has dealt with any covid exposure just as it would to any other virus it comes across on a regular basis.

I disagree with any vaccine being mandatory. I think people should weigh up their own risk factors. If it gave 100% protection and you didn't catch it at all after vaccination I might think differently but it doesn't.

ancientgran · 09/01/2022 20:25

I’ll see either if they don’t go ahead with it, hopefully not. As many will lose out. And not theoretically but in reality - being stuck waiting in hospital is hellish. I’ve done it and have seen how women coped. It was pretty bad for some.

Would it be better for them if there is an increased risk of covid? If we are only to focus on maternity services are you aware how serious it is for pregnant women if they get covid? I can't imagine how any responsible midwife would want to endanger their patients like that.

ancientgran · 09/01/2022 20:27

Although I can’t really see making the NHS sorting patients in to ‘pro choice’ and ‘pro mandatory vaccination’ groups would be a very good use of their resources. Maybe you aren't in a vulnerable group. Infecting vulnerable people with covid will certainly put pressure on resources.

Chinzia · 09/01/2022 20:34

@ancientgran

Although I can’t really see making the NHS sorting patients in to ‘pro choice’ and ‘pro mandatory vaccination’ groups would be a very good use of their resources. Maybe you aren't in a vulnerable group. Infecting vulnerable people with covid will certainly put pressure on resources.
Then call for them to be removed immediately, thousands are working unvaxxed right now, you say placing pressure on resources as they are dangerous. Ive wrote to our MP asking him to stop this as it’s a disaster, if you truly believe they are such a risk you would have wrote to yours about them by now?
Chinzia · 09/01/2022 20:38

I’ve wrote to my MP asking to stop the mandates, not clear in my message above. I don’t believe anyone on this thread truly believes the unvaxxed nhs staff are a risk to patients, we would be seeing posters telling us they’ve alerted their MP that these staff need sacking immediately.

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 09/01/2022 20:47

I don’t believe anyone on this thread truly believes the unvaxxed nhs staff are a risk to patients, we would be seeing posters telling us they’ve alerted their MP that these staff need sacking immediately.

I believe that unvaccinated staff are a risk to patients. I have already received letters telling me I need a vaccine in order to be able to do certain jobs. I'm happy to comply. If someone doesn't want to then they need to find a new job.

Chinzia · 09/01/2022 21:00

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

I don’t believe anyone on this thread truly believes the unvaxxed nhs staff are a risk to patients, we would be seeing posters telling us they’ve alerted their MP that these staff need sacking immediately.

I believe that unvaccinated staff are a risk to patients. I have already received letters telling me I need a vaccine in order to be able to do certain jobs. I'm happy to comply. If someone doesn't want to then they need to find a new job.

Fine but if they are the massive risk some say they are then they need sacking now, weeks ago not in over 2 months time, that is not fear for the vulnerable? You would be campaigning, posting & writing to MPs to have them gone now, there’s not been a whisper of that on mumsnet/social media, no ones serious when saying they are a risk, just sniping no serious action on those opinions.
frenchiemummy92 · 09/01/2022 21:04

I went for my booster today. I'm a healthy 29 year old. The GP, yes GP that was giving out the vaccines and I got chatting. When I mentioned I'd been putting the booster off because I hadn't had covid before told me the booster won't really benefit me much. Maybe a 10% top up once it starts to work because of my age so, it wouldn't of mattered if I'd off got the booster.

TalkToTheHand123 · 09/01/2022 21:36

Why would you put off a jab bacause you hadn't had covid before?

LethargicActress · 09/01/2022 21:44

@ancientgran

Although I can’t really see making the NHS sorting patients in to ‘pro choice’ and ‘pro mandatory vaccination’ groups would be a very good use of their resources. Maybe you aren't in a vulnerable group. Infecting vulnerable people with covid will certainly put pressure on resources.
Well no, I’m not right now, but if I’m in hospital needing treatment of some sort then I probably will feel pretty vulnerable, and will be grateful for anyone who is there working to help me. I believe that those people would be good enough risk themselves to help me if I had covid or some other transmissible illness without judgment, and they would treat me whether or not I’ve been vaccinated. The least I can do in return is respect their right to make their own medical choices.
frenchiemummy92 · 09/01/2022 21:52

@TalkToTheHand123 because I've been close contact and very close contact before jabs and always been negative and personally for me if two jabs don't work why on earth would a third.

Whathefisgoingon · 09/01/2022 22:13

Unsurprisingly, this doctor runs his own private clinic after completing a “functional medicine” course in the States.

Chinzia · 09/01/2022 22:23

@Whathefisgoingon

Unsurprisingly, this doctor runs his own private clinic after completing a “functional medicine” course in the States.
We know, the thousands who are going to be sacked are not wheeler dealing like the doc but are saying the same as him. the TUC union have not brushed this off with most will take the vax, they are really worried. I’m not taking anyone seriously unless they state they have or are campaigning to have these NHS staff sacked, have rallied others to write to their MP to have them removed immediately as they are such a dangerous selfish lot at risk to the vulnerable, no one has. We need them, everyone knows this, write to your MP to stop this madness.
Whathefisgoingon · 09/01/2022 22:24

@frenchiemummy92 the GP is not qualified to state that. They were a GP, not an expert on the matter

Abraxan · 09/01/2022 22:57

@frenchiemummy92

I went for my booster today. I'm a healthy 29 year old. The GP, yes GP that was giving out the vaccines and I got chatting. When I mentioned I'd been putting the booster off because I hadn't had covid before told me the booster won't really benefit me much. Maybe a 10% top up once it starts to work because of my age so, it wouldn't of mattered if I'd off got the booster.
I'd be concerned about a GP giving out this advice. It's not really within their remit. The gp is not an expert in this field.
boogiebogie · 09/01/2022 23:08

Arrr the other 100,000 doctors amd nurses that habe chosen not to bacvinate themselves and can read papers and understand immunity more than many are selfish and crazy? They were ok looking after our relatives before the vaccine. Honestly... I just don't get why people think the vaccine stops transmission... It just does not. Have a look around... My nan is at just as much risk being treated by a vaxed person than an unvaxed one. Maybe safer as the later will have to isolate if family catch covid. Why are you all so angry at their choices? Can we support body autonomy and free will and 'do no harm'?

Ficti · 09/01/2022 23:30

The elephant in the room; the vast majority of people in ICU's are obese or morbidly obese, and their obesity causes other health conditions; namely Covid, and the need for ventilators due to the fat burden on their respiratory system.

Chinzia · 09/01/2022 23:40

@boogiebogie

Arrr the other 100,000 doctors amd nurses that habe chosen not to bacvinate themselves and can read papers and understand immunity more than many are selfish and crazy? They were ok looking after our relatives before the vaccine. Honestly... I just don't get why people think the vaccine stops transmission... It just does not. Have a look around... My nan is at just as much risk being treated by a vaxed person than an unvaxed one. Maybe safer as the later will have to isolate if family catch covid. Why are you all so angry at their choices? Can we support body autonomy and free will and 'do no harm'?
Take what they say with a pinch of salt, happy calling people selfish/dodgy/crazy but do nothing to campaign to highlight their beliefs. If they believed NHS staff are nuts for refusing & are a present danger to others they would have pulled their finger out & got campaigning to have them made unemployed months ago. They just enjoy posting insults.
Youarefakenews · 10/01/2022 00:02

@Tumbleweed101

I'm on the fence with vaccines, but weighing up my own age, risk factors etc I've had the jabs and booster. My daughter is a NA for NHS and caught covid christmas 2020 before vaccines were available. For her own reasons she doesn't want the vaccine. She has been exposed to covid frequently since she had it (caught it two weeks after starting in NHS on a covid ward) but not had it since. I'm agreeing that natural immunity is at least as good as vaccination.

I never caught it despite living in same house as her when she had covid. I have worked all through lockdowns etc in a nursery exposed to a whole host of viruses and not caught covid yet. I have been jabbed but suspect my immune system is used to being kept busy and has dealt with any covid exposure just as it would to any other virus it comes across on a regular basis.

I disagree with any vaccine being mandatory. I think people should weigh up their own risk factors. If it gave 100% protection and you didn't catch it at all after vaccination I might think differently but it doesn't.

This is entirely my feeling too. I believe to keep our bodies healthy, we do have to let our immune system catch and deal with ongoing bugs that are always about.

It has been well proven that we get less colds as we get older, & that colds for the most parts come from either Coronavirus or Rhinovirus. Children get more colds as they haven't had that particular variant of the virus.

Youarefakenews · 10/01/2022 00:06

@Ficti

The elephant in the room; the vast majority of people in ICU's are obese or morbidly obese, and their obesity causes other health conditions; namely Covid, and the need for ventilators due to the fat burden on their respiratory system.
Excellent point. Using the same reasoning as the mass vaccination supporters, Surely in this time of National emergency we should go back to rationing to ensure a healthy lifestyle.

We surely must need to in order to save the NHS of extra strain.

Tealightsandd · 10/01/2022 00:11

@Ficti

The elephant in the room; the vast majority of people in ICU's are obese or morbidly obese, and their obesity causes other health conditions; namely Covid, and the need for ventilators due to the fat burden on their respiratory system.
Well to effectively tackle obesity, the government would have to go to the root causes.

Namely, socioeconomic - the public health housing and homelessness emergency, insufficient access to affordable healthy foods including variety, storage and cooking facilities, inflammation due to long-term stress, etc.

And/or health related - eg. poor mental health, late or misdiagnoses of conditions causing mobility problems or pain, side effects of some medications, etc.