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that is one brave doctor

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MrsLargeEmbodied · 09/01/2022 09:20

to speak about not having the vaccination
www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/08/nhs-doctor-challenges-sajid-javid-over-covid-vaccination-rules

he has had a lot of support

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Tealightsandd · 10/01/2022 00:13

I don't use Twitter myself but DP is on it.

ICU doctors have today been tweeting under the hashtags #VaccinesWork and #GetVaccinated, giving their reasons why it's so important.

It's clear what they think of their outlier colleague.

Chinzia · 10/01/2022 00:22

@Tealightsandd

I don't use Twitter myself but DP is on it.

ICU doctors have today been tweeting under the hashtags #VaccinesWork and #GetVaccinated, giving their reasons why it's so important.

It's clear what they think of their outlier colleague.

Not tweeting that their fellow staff are a threat tho, it’s 999 other fellow colleagues at Kings college hospital not just Dr James refusing the jab. 1000 staff at Kings London & none of their colleagues are protesting the fact that they have to work alongside them or that they are a danger to patients, it’s clear they don’t believe they are.
Tealightsandd · 10/01/2022 00:31

And how many of those other colleagues are doctors?

It must be greatly concerning for the families of the vulnerable patients (and for the patients) themselves who have to rely on King's.

That there are so many staff who don't trust science and medicine working in science and medicine based environment - and with such contempt for the safety of vulnerable patients, is truly shocking.

Tealightsandd · 10/01/2022 00:32

It's very clear the reason why a load of specifically ICU doctors are tweeting those hashtags today.

Chinzia · 10/01/2022 00:38

@Tealightsandd

It's very clear the reason why a load of specifically ICU doctors are tweeting those hashtags today.
Yes they want everyone to be vaxxed but yet they are not campaigning to have staff you believe to be dangerous be removed immediately. they never have, they would if they believe what you say is true, they don’t.
Tealightsandd · 10/01/2022 00:42

Yes, they do want people to get the protection we're lucky enough to have access to in this country.

But that's not why specifically ICU doctors are tweeting today. The outlier Sky News found does not speak for the majority.

Chinzia · 10/01/2022 00:44

@Tealightsandd

Yes, they do want people to get the protection we're lucky enough to have access to in this country.

But that's not why specifically ICU doctors are tweeting today. The outlier Sky News found does not speak for the majority.

They don’t believe in what you want, unsafe staff made unemployed, it’s not a hashtag.
Tealightsandd · 10/01/2022 00:51

I don't want unsafe staff.

Tealightsandd · 10/01/2022 00:53

As with any other job, if somebody is unable or unwilling to meet the job requirements including new safety measures, they need to seek more appropriate alternative employment.

Tealightsandd · 10/01/2022 00:55

Why work in science and medicine if you don't trust science and medicine? Confused

Chinzia · 10/01/2022 00:57

@Tealightsandd

I don't want unsafe staff.
Get campaigning then, you wrote to your MP? should have started months ago, they’ve been working since the vaccine roll out began, none of their fellow NHS staff want them gone or they would have let everyone know about these unsafe people they have to work alongside by now. instead we have worried NHS bossies & worried unions, they are not saying we need to remove these unsafe staff, you’re not the majority opinion
Tealightsandd · 10/01/2022 01:14

I suspect they want the same as me. Safe vaccinated staff.

Ideally there would be more effort to combat vaccine misinformation, but at the end of the day I refuse to believe that most people would want to put their faith (as a patient or family member of a patient) in a HCP who doesn't trust science and medicine.

The reason for their tweets is clearly aimed at repairing the potential damaging message given out by the Sky News outlier. He was questioning the need for vaccines. Hence the hashtag from so many ICU doctors - of #VaccinesWork.

Chinzia · 10/01/2022 01:22

@Tealightsandd

I suspect they want the same as me. Safe vaccinated staff.

Ideally there would be more effort to combat vaccine misinformation, but at the end of the day I refuse to believe that most people would want to put their faith (as a patient or family member of a patient) in a HCP who doesn't trust science and medicine.

The reason for their tweets is clearly aimed at repairing the potential damaging message given out by the Sky News outlier. He was questioning the need for vaccines. Hence the hashtag from so many ICU doctors - of #VaccinesWork.

You can refuse to believe but the evidence is there. people are not in the slightest bit worried about being treated by unvaxxed staff, there’s not a hashtag trend, no campaign to have MPs speak out, no unions highlighting patients having no faith in receiving care from unvaxxed. no protests from nhs against these nhs staff refusing & their terrifying danger to the public, the public would if they were a massive risk, they are not.
Tealightsandd · 10/01/2022 01:30

Well that's untrue.

You bet there'll be legal action from bereaved relatives if a vulnerable loved one is unnecessarily exposed to the additional risk of unvaccinated staff.

But keep telling yourself people want unsafe staff - HCP who don't trust science and medicine working in...erm... science and medicine...

I'm off to bed (to dream of 💉😷). Goodnight.

Chinzia · 10/01/2022 01:41

@Tealightsandd

Well that's untrue.

You bet there'll be legal action from bereaved relatives if a vulnerable loved one is unnecessarily exposed to the additional risk of unvaccinated staff.

But keep telling yourself people want unsafe staff - HCP who don't trust science and medicine working in...erm... science and medicine...

I'm off to bed (to dream of 💉😷). Goodnight.

Been nearly a year since the vaccine roll out, they’ve worked this whole time, there’s been zilch protests over this. If hospitals believed what you do they would have gone into action to be rid of them, instead we get from their unions, don’t go ahead with the mandate. You’re beliefs are not shared by the many.
Tealightsandd · 10/01/2022 02:31

Couldn't sleep so decided to pop back in here.

You talk about majority. Go do a survey on the vulnerable and their loved ones. You bet the majority won't want to go to King's College Hospital. Of course sadly for those for whom it's the closest hospital they won't get the choice. Choice... Something the staff who don't believe in science and medicine do have (eg. seek non science based employment).

The unions don't represent the vulnerable patients.

It's estimated that around 40% of Covid infections were caught in hospital.

Of course we can't eliminate all risk - but failure to take reasonable mitigations (like vaccines) is negligence and neglect of duty of care.

Yes a year since vaccines came in. So plenty of time for staff to get jabbed. They were given a very generous adjustment period to get sorted for necessary new safety regulations.

The real story here is the shocking state of affairs at King's. 1000 staff who don't believe in science and medicine...working in science and medicine...

Worryingly lack of regard for vulnerable patients.

Oblomov22 · 10/01/2022 03:18

He is talking about waning. But this is a new issue. That wasn't the case when he would've first been offered the first vaccination back in December 20 ? - he would've been one of the first to be offered it as a frontline worker. So what were his reasons for not having it back then? Or the second, or the booster?

Butterfly44 · 10/01/2022 04:54

@MrsLargeEmbodied

units will close there are plenty in the nhs/social care who do not want the mandatory vaccine it is a headache
Do you work in the NHS because that's absolutely not true. The number of unvaccinated patient facing NHS staff is minuscule.

The other thing to note it this doctor is an anaesthetist, not an immunologist. His statements are inaccurate. Staff do not need boosting every month.

Also him being fit and healthy has no baring. It's not about HIM. It's about protecting patients. His vocal support is from anti vaxers, not colleagues in the field.

supperlover · 10/01/2022 05:28

I thought it interesting that the nurses with him would not express an opinion. Did they maybe know his views, not agree with him, but didn't want to disagree with a senior medic they have to work with? Just a thought.

DontWantTheRivalry · 10/01/2022 06:28

If they believed NHS staff are nuts for refusing & are a present danger to others they would have pulled their finger out & got campaigning to have them made unemployed months ago. They just enjoy posting insults.

Completely agree,

I’m unvaccinated staff were such a danger than the Government (and society who also seem to believe it) would have been pushing for them to be fired immediately, not 3 months down the line.

What they wanted was the staff to work over the winter when Covid was at its worst to make sure the NHS didn’t collapse before waving them off in the Spring.

It’s disgusting.

TheGovernment will back down at the last minute as they know what utter damage their threat will do to the NHS if they see it through.

Lougle · 10/01/2022 06:35

One of my most memorable patients in ICU was young, extremely fit, no risk factors at all. That patient caught flu and ended up being transferred to a hospital for ECMO. They had a tracheostomy and had to go to a specialist rehabilitation unit after they were weaned off of it.

Nobody is so fit that they are not in danger from a disease that can kill.

FflosFfantastig · 10/01/2022 07:43

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

I don’t believe anyone on this thread truly believes the unvaxxed nhs staff are a risk to patients, we would be seeing posters telling us they’ve alerted their MP that these staff need sacking immediately.

I believe that unvaccinated staff are a risk to patients. I have already received letters telling me I need a vaccine in order to be able to do certain jobs. I'm happy to comply. If someone doesn't want to then they need to find a new job.

These will be the same dangerous doctors that worked through the pandemic pre vaccines then. It's lovely that people value their great work so much! Confused
DontWantTheRivalry · 10/01/2022 08:29

These will be the same dangerous doctors that worked through the pandemic pre vaccines then. It's lovely that people value their great work so much! confused

Well said.

How quickly the tides can turn.

Once they were the heroes of the pandemic, risking themselves in horrendous circumstances in order to care for others and now they’re getting fired.

It’s abhorrent.

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 10/01/2022 08:37

It’s abhorrent.

What is abhorrent is spreading misinformation which leads to further vaccine hesitancy amongst the vulnerable and elderly and treating patients without the added security of the vaccines.

So he did his job during the first lot of the pandemic? Big fucking deal. Many of us did.

DontWantTheRivalry · 10/01/2022 08:57

What is abhorrent is spreading misinformation

What misinformation did he spread?