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Worried456776 · 07/01/2022 19:53

news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-sajid-javid-directly-challenged-on-mandatory-coronavirus-jabs-by-unvaccinated-nhs-doctor-12511224

Well done to this docter for standing up for himself.

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placemats · 09/01/2022 14:26

Quote from the above link:

'1840 marked the first in a series of laws regarding vaccination in Britain. After the scientific community built a better understanding of how infectious disease spread, the British government outlawed the practice of variolation with the first Vaccination Act of 1840. The Act of 1840 also provided free vaccinations for the poor through the new Poor Law Unions. The government ramped up its focus on improving vaccination rates and subsequently passed the Vaccination Act of 1853. The Act made it compulsory for all infants under three months old to be vaccinated. Local registrars of births, marriages and deaths gave out vaccination certificates to parents of newborns which had to be returned signed by a doctor. Negligent parents could be fined or imprisoned. In 1867, the government increased its efforts and made it compulsory for all children under the age of 14 to be vaccinated against smallpox. However, this was not the case for many children.'

placemats · 09/01/2022 14:31

But of course there were those who were anti vaccination during that time, despite no internet, mobile phones or social media.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-50713991

placemats · 09/01/2022 14:38

And this is also interesting. 'Miasma' or bad air belief fuelled the act.

Where they wrong?

We now know that Covid is an airborne disease and proper ventilation decreases infection exponentially.

The 1858 Medical Act brought in standards and registration but this was at a time when the majority of professionals still believed bad air - miasma - caused many illnesses.

TheScenicWay · 09/01/2022 15:44

Vitamin d is essential for a good immune system. As is vitamin c. There’s a good reason for trying to eat your 5 portions of fruit and veg a day and recommended hot lemon when ill, as you get essential vitamins to help your body work well.
Some studies found a direct correlation between vitamin d levels and severity of covid. There may not have been good evidence for treatment but having good levels is vital.
This should be discussed more.

Belladonna12 · 09/01/2022 17:40

@TheScenicWay

Vitamin d is essential for a good immune system. As is vitamin c. There’s a good reason for trying to eat your 5 portions of fruit and veg a day and recommended hot lemon when ill, as you get essential vitamins to help your body work well. Some studies found a direct correlation between vitamin d levels and severity of covid. There may not have been good evidence for treatment but having good levels is vital. This should be discussed more.
I don't know what cave you've been living in but the fact that everyone should be as fit and healthy as possible has been discussed throughout the pandemic, both in the context of COVID and also certain other diseases. However, there is no evidence that taking vitamin D or other supplements will prevent severe covid in those who are still vulnerable despite being vaccinated.
soredust · 09/01/2022 18:10

If the Government are so worried about all these unvaccinated NHS staff, why are they waiting until April to sack them when they have been allowed to work through the time when covid cases were at their highest and when it is known traditionally when viruses are most prolific (Autumn/Winter)?

InCahootswithOrwell · 09/01/2022 22:09

@soredust

If the Government are so worried about all these unvaccinated NHS staff, why are they waiting until April to sack them when they have been allowed to work through the time when covid cases were at their highest and when it is known traditionally when viruses are most prolific (Autumn/Winter)?
Because someone asked them to. They were going to do it at the end of last year, but somebody, possibly the BMA or the head of the NHS pointed out how stupid doing it at the start of winter was.
Tealightsandd · 09/01/2022 22:45

I don't use it but DP tells me loads of ICU doctors on twitter are tweeting under the hashtag #GetVaccinated today (and giving the reasons why). I suspect the Sky News outlier has rather pissed off his colleagues. They're making it very clear that he doesn't speak for them.

Tealightsandd · 09/01/2022 22:55

They're (the ICU doctors) also using #VaccinesWork, he tells me.

InexperiencedDogOwner · 10/01/2022 00:39

@Tealightsandd

I don't use it but DP tells me loads of ICU doctors on twitter are tweeting under the hashtag #GetVaccinated today (and giving the reasons why). I suspect the Sky News outlier has rather pissed off his colleagues. They're making it very clear that he doesn't speak for them.
Yeah not suspicious at all that they all seem written in exactly the same way 🤔 Government paid tweets clearly, it's so blatantly obvious!
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InexperiencedDogOwner · 10/01/2022 00:41

I've realised the above photo is not readable so here is the link

twitter.com/masalafry69/status/1480303099302621186?s=21

Tealightsandd · 10/01/2022 00:47

Government tweets. Ask if!

There are many many ICU doctors tweeting it. Lots with long tweeting histories.

Buzzinwithbez · 10/01/2022 09:45

Well good for them. Vaccines might work but until there is open discussion of the harm they can do and the mechanism for this harm and some nuance around who is at most risk and what we can do to mitigate that risk, telling people that vaccines work will not convince many more people to roll up their sleeves. The messaging is missing the mark, because it requires discussion, not chants of 'vaccines work'.

I've no doubt that vaccines work, but given the harm they've done around me it's a hard no from me.

ClaudineClare · 10/01/2022 11:09

[quote InexperiencedDogOwner]I've realised the above photo is not readable so here is the link

twitter.com/masalafry69/status/1480303099302621186?s=21[/quote]
That is hilarious. People in the medical profession tweeting about a medical issue are all bots because they happen to begin their tweets explaining their area of expertise? If the rest of the text of the tweets were very similar there might be cause for concern.

ClaudineClare · 10/01/2022 11:14

The tweets do express similar sentiments, but that is hardly surprisingly as the whole point of the vaccines are to protect ourselves and others.

ClaudineClare · 10/01/2022 11:18

I randomly selected one of the tweeters. Not a bot.

mobile.twitter.com/TimTheSurgeon?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

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