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Well done to this docter for standing up for himself.

He sounds amazing! When I was so ill and breathless after a thyroidectomy, all I was offered by the NHS was antidepressants and CBT. I would have given my right arm for a doctor like him to delve further. As it was, I researched outwith the NHS standard of care, essentially consensus medicine based on incomplete data and poor quality evidence and turned to functional medicine. The answer was very simple. I had no way of converting levothyroxine to the active T3 hormone and a simple change of medicine resolved five hideous years of breathlessness and obesity. Now I don't need the twenty prescription medications and take one thyroid hormone.

Doctors like this are way too rare in my opinion.

Why on earth Javid asked that stupid question I don't know, now the clip is doing the rounds and the doctor is a hero of the anti-vax movement.

The vast majority of medical staff are pro-vaccine and I am happy to stick with the majority opinion on this issue.

@lorrainecleaver

He sounds amazing! When I was so ill and breathless after a thyroidectomy, all I was offered by the NHS was antidepressants and CBT. I would have given my right arm for a doctor like him to delve further. As it was, I researched outwith the NHS standard of care, essentially consensus medicine based on incomplete data and poor quality evidence and turned to functional medicine. The answer was very simple. I had no way of converting levothyroxine to the active T3 hormone and a simple change of medicine resolved five hideous years of breathlessness and obesity. Now I don't need the twenty prescription medications and take one thyroid hormone.

Doctors like this are way too rare in my opinion.

"Functional Medicine isn't a protected title and a medical qualification isn't a prerequisite to practice. The result is an unregulated and disparate field, with medical doctors, nutritionists, naturopaths and homeopaths among the many practitioners"

So, it may or may not turn out to be trendy quackery. In terms of taking advice on vaccines, I would listen to the experts for now rather than one lone doctor.

@lorrainecleaver do you take desiccated thyroid extract instead? Off topic I know, just interested.

So, it may or may not turn out to be trendy quackery. In terms of taking advice on vaccines, I would listen to the experts for now rather than one lone doctor.

There are other doctors with concerns, including those that are vaccinated. In addition there are 100,000 NHS staff also with concerns.
It's hard to ignore the experience of my friends with confirmed vaccine injury when it's within a small friendship group and think 'oh well, on a population level it's still rare'

You do know that a group of scientists from top uni’s across the states are concerned about the incorrect trials of the Pfizer vaccine and requested the data that was used to decide to roll it out. This was requested under freedom of information. The response was they can have it in 75 years!

Yes I was aware of this, and as a PP mentioned, apparently the BMJ are onto it too

I believe the FDA's excuse is that there's so much data that it'll take that long to sort it all out for publication, in which case it seems appropriate to wonder how they managed to examine it all and get the vaccines released so quickly
It might almost be thought that they just hoped for the best - something made easier because the emergency licencing of the jabs will almost certainly mean there's no legal comeback should anything go badly wrong

@Buzzinwithbez Yes of course it is different on a personal level, but it remains a fact that tens of millions of people in the UK have been vaccinated and are fine. I don't know anyone who has been damaged by the vaccine, ulike covid.

I am broadly not in favour of mandatory vaccination, but when it comes to NHS staff, that is a difficult and fraught area. I think Javid may very well backtrack on the threat to sack staff though, because of the pressure on NHS services.

unlike covid

Dear god, I've just read in full the article on the disclosures to the BMJ about compromised research

I'd highly recommend those in favour of "as many jabs as it takes" to read it too, except I suspect it'll come under things they just don't want to know

Medical doctors aren't in some way uniquely qualified to assess the merits or otherwise of a vaccine purely because they have a medical degree. That would be the thousands of epidemiologists and virologists who have qualifications and experience in that field.

Among such scientists, there are virtually no dissenting voices whatsoever as to the benefits of vaccines. The one or two outliers who do get noticed are because they make a lot of noise, and really they shouldn't be afforded equivalence with the vast, vast majority of researchers in this field who are just quietly getting on with their jobs.

The idea that there are as many scientists who have doubts about vaccines as there are those in favour is total nonsense.

[quote Mummyoflittledragon]@godmum56
The yellow card reporting scheme of side effects is testament to the fact that a percentage of the population cannot process constant vaccines.

My health has been ruined by prescription medicine. One taken for 3 weeks. The next taken for. 3.5 weeks. Standard meds prescribed to millions of people and not niche in any way, the former of which I took 15 years prior with no issue (birth control). The vaccine has compounded this.

I am suffering the consequences of following the guidelines and getting double vaxxed 7 months on. I and may other simply cannot get boosters.

Where is the compassion for people like me?![/quote]
I do feel compassion but that doesn't make sweeping statements true. I have a penecillin allergy and sensitivities to other antibiotics. that doesn't mean that they aren't safe for other people.

@rrhuth

Why on earth Javid asked that stupid question I don't know, now the clip is doing the rounds and the doctor is a hero of the anti-vax movement.

The vast majority of medical staff are pro-vaccine and I am happy to stick with the majority opinion on this issue.

yup. I smell a set up

Functional Medicine isn't a protected title and a medical qualification isn't a prerequisite to practice. The result is an unregulated and disparate field, with medical doctors, nutritionists, naturopaths and homeopaths among the many practitioners I didn't say it was. It's very like the NHS in the variety of specialisms with the beauty they're less bound by rigid NICE guidelines.

Yes I take Nature-Throid, miles superior to levothyroxine for someone like me. Heck even liothyronine was better but, until the very recent Competitions and Markets Authority finding of price gouging against the pharma company, the good old NHS was paying £248 for 28 tablets so that was a short lived foray into wellness for me

I would allow the consultant at the personal opinion. However this is taking medicine back 100 years.

People are allowed to choose whether they want the vaccine or not.

Others should mind their own business and stop obsessing over it.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

You do know that a group of scientists from top uni’s across the states are concerned about the incorrect trials of the Pfizer vaccine and requested the data that was used to decide to roll it out. This was requested under freedom of information. The response was they can have it in 75 years!

Yes I was aware of this, and as a PP mentioned, apparently the BMJ are onto it too

I believe the FDA's excuse is that there's so much data that it'll take that long to sort it all out for publication, in which case it seems appropriate to wonder how they managed to examine it all and get the vaccines released so quickly
It might almost be thought that they just hoped for the best - something made easier because the emergency licencing of the jabs will almost certainly mean there's no legal comeback should anything go badly wrong

A federal judge ruled yesterday that the FDA have 8 months to release all the documents related to the licensing of the Pfizer covid vaccine. Interesting!

@lorrainecleaveraine

No one is saying that people MUST be vaccinated.....but choices have consequences.

[quote godmum56]@lorrainecleaveraine

No one is saying that people MUST be vaccinated.....but choices have consequences.[/quote]
Take this EUA vaccine several times a year, despite having natural immunity post disease, or lose your job. That's not a choice, that's coercion.

This is interesting. Could be a game changer in terms of how this moves forward

@PattyPritel

People are allowed to choose whether they want the vaccine or not.

Others should mind their own business and stop obsessing over it.

Sure, but saying things that aren't true about vaccination, that are likely to discourage people from taking it up when advised, is the problem here.

Especially when you are doing so in your role as a clinician.

[quote Worried456776]@chopc

I think he is trying to say what’s the point in the boosters or vaccines because they just wear off and they won’t just continually administer boosters every 1-2 months. I agree with him I’m double vaxed and won’t be having a booster it just cannot be good for your body.[/quote]
Covid isn't good for your body.
This doctor has worked in covid wards for nearly two years. he must have had more exposure to covid than almost anyone else who doesn't do the same job.
He is effectively getting boosted all the time. When I was on a covid ward there were some staff who were quite nonchalent about PPE. Some were clearly very concerned about catching covid and wore like a diving helmet. Others just a blue mask (sometimes removing it to speak). I'm guessing this group had had covid and vaccines and worked on that ward a long time so no longer felt threatened by covid.

I do see his point, but unfortunatle this is the sort of thing the anti vaxxers leap on and most of those are still vunerable to covid.

There does seem to be an interesting trend for clinicians who practise non-evidence based medicine privately to speak out against vaccination, get a large following from it, and then use this to promote their alternative practise.

See Sam White (GP who is suspended as he was actively promoting misinformation)

Also Richard Halvorsen - promotes lots of pseudoscience against childhood vaccination, then sends parents to his clinic where he charges £££ for the same vaccines.

His clininical peers certainly seem to think it's the case with this doctor

I don’t normally draw attention to a Quack,but when you run a private clinic for non evidence based functional medicine &detox for £500 a pop…you don’t get a free pass to say the science ain’t good enough 2support #vaccination Right pointing backhand indexthe data is overwhelming

twitter.com/djnicholl

Imagine being an anaesthetist claiming the "evidence wasn't strong enough" to support COVID vaccinations, yet having a side hustle in wellness and detox wank?
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@InCahootswithOrwell

You know how on every ward/specialty there’s a doctor who thinks he’s God’s gift and always right even when he isn’t and everyone else just thinks he’s a prick?

I think he might be the prick. I’m getting strong vibes. Not least because I’m pretty sure his scientific argument is wrong particularly the bit about how his antibody protection from getting delta is better than somebody who is jabbed, or it would be if he was jabbed. And I don’t really follow his argument that people will need boosting every month.

I thought this. Those figures he gave don't tally up with the official data released by scientific study that we've all seen recently ....

@Blue565

I've had two jabs and a booster. They're talking about a fourth? I've had enough now

I'll get jabbed once a year ala Flu, no more. Like this doctor said - boosted every month? Every two months?

Why not? If it keeps the economy open and allows us to travel, socialise and keep schools open, why not get jabbed every month?