No period since covid vaccine

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I had my first covid vaccine in August and haven't had a period since. I'm going to book a drs appointment when they reopen but I'm so worried. I know lots of women have had issues with their period but has anyone else missed so many?

@CristinaNov182

Medicine isn’t perfect. You weigh up the risks.

Do you believe that medical knowledge is progressing forward? That you have a better chance of surviving a serious disease today than say - 30 years ago? Do you believe that reporting, risk assessment and analysis, compliance, transparency is better today - or 30 years ago?

In terms of global public health is it better to go with consensus science? Do you think that - globally - the best medical expertise has analysed and scrutinised all the evidence - and risk wise - it is far safer to get vaccinated than to get Covid.

The NHS guidelines state that : your period may be temporarily affected - but should then return to normal. The vaccine does not affect your fertility.

It is not in the best interests of public health to give global advice based on fringe studies or evidence. What IS good is that there is transparency, a yellow card reporting system etc. But it is not healthy or wise or scientific to jump to a conclusion based on one study, or someone’s anecdotal hunch. It needs to be robustly peer reviewed, analysed - and this will then feed the NHS guidance.

To challenge this, or spread misinformation without a thorough understanding or being very highly qualified in the subject field can be harmful to others.

“You weigh up the risks”. The issue is that we weren’t able to. “Safe and effective”. Mandated. Coerced. Forced.

at the time it was said that the “Google experts” were ludicrous and we needed to “follow the science” and trust the experts. That meant to my mind they weighed up the risk for us

its increasingly clear to me that that process didn’t happen as it should.

@BeethovenNinth - but what you are saying there - is that you think you know better than the best professors in virology/immunology globally? Why do you believe that?

Mandates were there in an emergency situation and to protect the vulnerable. There were perhaps more of a political decision - and varied in their implementation from country to country. Their existence doesn’t mean that the science was therefore wrong too.

@Em8725 of course the science is progressing forward, always. And it will here too.

but while the science has a chance to catch up this should have only been released to at risk groups , it was unethical to release it into many groups, especially healthy children and healthy pregnant women. This has never been done before.

we released cancer drugs not yet fully tested but promising to terminal patients only, for ex.

and I don’t know better the “best professors” and the nhs - the fact is they don’t know either, they can’t explain it so saying it’s safe for everyone is laughable

it probably is safe for the overwhelming majority but as long as you don’t know the mechanism and who is at risk where it’s not safe, you might be still at risk for other unknown serious effects, some who might take years to materialise. You just can’t know and claim you do.

what fringe studies or evidence lol? I’m looking to find official studies and not finding much

laughable - “weigh up the risk” - how can I weigh up my insignificant risk of death from covid (and I had it twice with no issues ) to an unknown? I have a minor blood clotting disorder for ex, will I be one of these few women in the 40s to die of a blood clot from the vaccine? What if I would have rushed to take it before the risk of blood clots was not known, or at the beginning when it was a “conspiracy theory”? I wish someone will clarify this for me.

”consensus science” - the consensus is that they don’t know how these 3 things happen, blood clots, loss of period, myocarditis. If you know the “consensus science” for it, do share.

”transparency “ - you mean conspiracy theories (myocarditis and heart attacks) get eventually added as a warning indication to the vaccines?

”jump to a conclusion” - that’s the point, I don’t have one.

”misinformation “ - quote my misinformation please

”protect the vulnerable “ - do you know vulnerable people, imunocompromised etc, existed before and will exist after covid? How were you protecting the vulnerable before? - these people should have been given the vaccine to protect, as we give the best promising drugs to the terminal cancer patients . And all efforts made to protect them, bring them food home etc. The world is not in lockdown anymore, who’s crying for the vulnerable now? Hypocrisy…

”it doesn’t affect your fertility “ - it does, while your period is missing or won’t stop. What If you are 40 and this is your last chance to conceive?

plus again - they don’t know why periods are affected so to say fertility is not impacted is a big claim. Your period might return, but your fertility might have been subtly or blatantly been affective (increased rate of miscarriage, damage to your stored ova/eggs, partial damage to them, etc)l have they carried ANY tests to reject that? How the fxxk do they know then?!

you sound like your internalised all the talking points but have no reasoning behind it.

@CristinaNov182

but while the science has a chance to catch up this should have only been released to at risk groups , it was unethical to release it into many groups, especially healthy children and healthy pregnant women. This has never been done before.

To release it to a limited group only would defeat the purpose. It is a vaccine. The end-goal is herd immunity. You cannot compare this to cancer drugs. You do know how a vaccine works on a population level, right?

@MeetPi herd immunity is achieved if the vaccine prevents infection or transmission.

we’re not all still getting polio, etc, are we?! And getting boosters for it every other day? 😂

as this one doesn’t prevent infection or transmission, AND needs a booster every few months, isn’t it laughable to still believe in the herd immunity achieved by the way of vaccines theory?

it was clear early on (weeks, if not 1-2 months after) that it was so.

so do YOU know how vaccines work? And how this one is different from all the others

And hence I know the next argument, here it is: covid is more like the flu than like polio, you fool!

and my answer: yes, and herd immunity has never been attempted for flu bc it was considered to not have any chance of success against it (mutates rapidly etc), hence only the groups at risk are and were seriously encouraged to get one (to protect them), for the rest is optional.

flu vaccine is wonderful, everyone should get one, but not under the impression they will be 100% protected from flu (it protects against a FEW of the LAST years strands!), not all the current mutations or the mutations that have ever been and maybe still are circulating. Still for groups at risk something is better than nothing.

And where the analogy breaks is that covid vaccines are not like the flu ones, they’ve only been released recently and the flu vaccine and indeed none of the others ever had these mind boggling serious side effects, seen in a very small % so far, but mechanism still not understood.

of course I don’t know more than the so called experts but there were and are so many unknowns. I have suffered medically this way before and am therefore highly sceptical of any “experts” and so didn’t take the vaccines and I can assure you that wasn’t an easy decision as it meant I couldn’t participate in my full social life

but terms such as “herd immunity” and “protect the vulnerable” aren’t appropriate to this discussion as both proved false.

the decision to vaccinate every man, woman and child over five in most western countries was made, as far as I can see, by groups of scientists

that was a massive decision - affecting all humanity so let’s bloody hope they were damn sure they knew what they were doing

@CristinaNov182

but they were never conspiracy theories! There was always a risk of those factors - as there are risk factors with any vaccine! , but it was so incredibly small when compared to the risk of dying or health being severely compromised by Covid. Look at the global death toll from Covid - and compare it to the death toll from the vaccine!!

This is the summary from yellow card data - Oct 22:

The benefits of the vaccines in preventing COVID-19 and serious complications associated with COVID-19 far outweigh any currently known side effects. As with all vaccines and medicines, the safety of COVID-19 vaccines is continuously monitored, and benefits and possible risks remain under review.

Why you would continually try to push a different agenda is uneducated and harmful.

Risk factors are with any insufficiently tested drugs or treatments, my opinion as well, glad we agree. No other vaccine or any other drug (as far as I know) has or ever had this extremely small (seen so far) % risk but extremely serious side effects, and the most important point - still not understood.

How many of these people died with covid, and not from covid? What was the age group/s and/or health status that had the majority of these numbers?

was it 11 healthy year olds? Healthy 20 year olds etc?

I keep saying groups at risk should have been given it, no?

what was uneducated in what I said? Or harmful? Is asking questions harmful?

go live under a totalitarian regime, you’ll be perfectly protected against this kind of harm there.

anyway, I’ll stop following this, everyone can decide for themselves.

@CristinaNov182

Nope! Because although milder in children, they can get serious lung complications and multi inflammatory syndrome (this is more risky than vaccine side effect risk), it helps reduce the spread in the community (healthy children require healthy adults), it helps stop variants from emerging, it helps to restore a normal life for all - schools, hospitals etc.

But you know this right? I don’t know why you are favouring the fringe, unvaried claims - and the misinformation.

what would happen to public Heath if we continually sided with pseudoscience, unverified claims, YouTube videos, social media echo chambers, hunches and anecdotes - are we likely to be more or less healthy - if you weigh up the risks??

How do we know vaccines prevent new variants? We don’t. It doesn’t stop spread. We know that. It doesn’t stop infection beyond 8 weeks. How do we know children are more at risk from covid?

i don’t ask this through watching You Tube videos. I ask this because we have to be absolutely sure there is some benefit
to children before doing so. It’s notable that some countries have pulled back from vaccinating children. Why have they done so?

It’s notable that some countries have pulled back from vaccinating children. Why have they done so?

The same stuff on every thread..

@BeethovenNinth

I'm guessing you're implying it's because vaccination is considered unsafe - it's not.

It's simply that the benefit/cost profile is different now.

Exactly the same reason as to why under 50s aren't currently being offered it.

How do we know vaccines prevent new variants? We don’t. It doesn’t stop spread.

It's just shouting into the wind at this point - as has been explained before...

It is not binary.

Vaccination reduces infection rate, duration of infection & other factors which reduce the mutation rate of SARS-COV-2. This contributes to both a lower likelihood of new variant emerging, and a a slowing of the emergence of new variants.

And again, vaccination doesn't stop "spread", it reduces it.

Honestly I don’t see the point of debating with you. You imply I am some kind of crazy conspiracy theorist posting on difference threads.

each to their own. You seem delighted with the vaccine programme and convinced as to their safety.

lets leave it there as arguing black and white is utterly pointless.

I have said this before though - I hope to god you are right and my concerns are the thoughts of a mad woman. Because I don’t particularly like where it’s all heading and very much hope I am wrong

I'm not implying anything of the sort - but it's frustrating that you won't take on board any of the points PPs have made.

It just goes round it circles where a claim is made, explanations are given as to why it does not have robust evidence base, and it swerves onto the next claim. Eventually it reaches full circle and goes back round to the same old fake claim.

Herd immunity is achieved when a certain percentage of the the population has been exposed the pathogen, either by infection or vaccine. It has little to do with the mechanics of the vaccine itself.

There are different types of vaccines, with varying modes of delivery. Some need updating every year (like influenza), others just require a once-off jab and you're done. That simply how viruses and disease work.

I'm extremely grateful for the technology and science we have available to us to develop these vaccines at such record pace.

So from ”nothing to see here, folks”, we have now an official admission from the European Medicines Agency:

EU regulator recommends adding heavy periods to side effects of mRNA COVID shots

Oct 28 (Reuters) - A European Medicines Agency (EMA) committee on Friday recommended adding heavy menstrual bleeding to the list of side effect of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines made by Moderna, as well as Pfizer and its partner BioNTech.

Reports of heavy periods - bleeding characterised by increased volume and/or duration that interferes with the quality of life - have been observed during clinical trials, from cases in the real world and in medical literature, the EMA said.

The cases - which have mostly been non-serious and temporary in nature - have been reported after the first, second and booster doses of Pfizer-BioNTech's Comirnaty and Moderna's Spikevax, it added.

The regulator has now concluded that there is at least a "reasonable possibility" that heavy menstrual bleeding is causally associated with these vaccines.
A Moderna spokesperson said the company was aware of reports linking its vaccine to dysmenorrhea, or pain associated with menstruation.

"However, at this point, we have not identified a causal association with Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccine, Spikevax."

Pfizer and BioNTech were not immediately available for comment.

The EMA also said that there was no evidence to suggest that the menstrual disorders experienced by some have any impact on reproduction and fertility.

The mRNA vaccines do not cause pregnancy complications for expectant mothers or their babies and they are as effective at reducing the risk of hospitalisation and deaths in pregnant people as they are in non-pregnant people, a review carried out by the EMA’s Emergency Task Force has shown.

Overall, the totality of data continues to show that the benefits of these vaccines greatly outweigh the risks, the agency reiterated on Friday.

Menstrual disorders can occur due to a range of reasons, including underlying medical conditions as well as stress and tiredness. Health authorities have highlighted that cases have also been reported following COVID-19 infection.

So from ”nothing to see here, folks”, we have now an official admission from the European Medicines Agency:

This is a real re-writing of history tbh @Terzani

Side effects cannot be added to a PIL until there enough evidence that there's a causal relationship.

Menstrual disturbances are common - if you took a sample of a million women from 2015 and asked them over 2 years if they'd had any issues, you'd get a lot saying yes - now there is enough evidence that rates of these events are higher than background rates, which is why only now are the official side effects being updated.

It would be unethical and scaremongering to pop down every adverse event anyone has ever experienced after a coronvirus vaccine, and say it's a side effect.

It would be unethical and scaremongering to pop down every adverse event anyone has ever experienced after a coronvirus vaccine, and say it's a side effect.
Absolutely, and the effort to combat scaremongering is understandable, especially since menstrual irregularities can have many different causes. What I didn't like was this insistence that any menstrual problem after vaccine is most probably a coincidence, the effect of anxiety or perimenopause, IOW something negligible (as opposed to the risk of blood clots, which was added pretty quickly to the official list of side effects).

”A link is plausible and should be investigated” (between menstrual changes and Covid vaccination) - this was from September 2021, over a year ago. Then by January 2022 the first reports were published, and the same expert concluded: ”The work that has been done represents a step in the right direction, but the fact that it has taken us so long to get here reflects the low priority with which menstrual and reproductive health is often treated in medical research. The widespread interest in this topic highlights how pressing a concern this is for the public. It’s time we started listening to them.”

And she was right. If you ignore the problem, you will get a population of women who will ignore you too if you claim that the vaccine is safe for them.

Ok fair @Terzani - if a reproductive immunologist who's published in this area thinks this could have happened faster, than I stand corrected

And that was exactly my issue with the coercion and mandates. If you are on of the people suffering heavy periods - and it doesn’t always seem to be “mild” and “short lived” and I don’t quite understand how a material change to periods isn’t a change to fertility - then you will be feeling a bit pissed off

what the effect on children whose cycle hasn’t started yet? (Unknown)

my sister suffered a large ovarian cyst and needed emergency surgery after her vaccine. Probably a coincidence but who knows? How long does it take for these things to emerge?

we must NEVER again force people to take any novel medical treatment - especially when the risk benefit is unknown.