How can they still say nothing?

[Purplegurple]

So numbers today over 183,000. How can BoJo and his cronies still be making no statement? No clear guidance, nothing. I'm not wanting lockdown or anything but can't believe they're so quiet over all this.

Agree with you @Purplegurple. He should be saying something with numbers as they are and the hospital issues being reported in London.

He isn’t in charge anymore though, the backbenchers are. He is hiding because he doesn’t want to stir up all the shit that was swirling before Christmas and potentially the letters addressed to Graham Brady. This is a political strategy right now, not one concerned with public health.

Also, hasn’t he just spent a week in Mustique? Or so the rumour mill is saying.

If he shows his face and says there will be restrictions he will be in the wrong. Now, if he says nothing he is wrong. Everybody knew that this new virus was going to spread' it didn't take a scientist to work that out because as we all know, a virus will spread. Ireland, Scotland and Wales have introduced restrictions over the New Year, you have still got your party night.

Sst1234 I’m a barrister not a virologist so I can’t share - that’s kind of the point. If you have data to share then do so !
It doesn’t seem to make sense why eg french or German Scottish analysts are interpreting their data differently with very different public health measures.
If it’s if no interest to you that’s fine. It is of interest to me.

@tara66

These are the recorded number of cases. There must also be a lot of unrecorded cases too - so these numbers are probable well under actual numbers.

My nephew tested positive on an LFT yesterday but can't get a PCR as there is no stock. So his number won't be counted in. My guess is that he's not the only one. And for those saying it's a mild illness, it can be for many but he's a young healthy man, always at the gym, eats healthily etc and he's not got out of bed for 2 days because he feels so poorly

@Tilltheend99

It is quite weird. They claim they wanted to ‘save Christmas’ this year but I know at least two families that have missed Christmas due to catching Covid as it is now so rife.

It didn’t help pubs earn money either as people used their own common sense and stayed away so they could see their families.

If there were proper rules and social distancing in place then I think more people would have gone for a meal or drink out but when you know it will just be anti maskers everywhere it’s not worth it.

Those families made their own choices though, they had the option to isolate prior to Christmas and not catch it, but they didn’t.

We have to take responsibility for ourselves and our own families, it’s simply not the job of the state to micromanage on this kind of scale.

The NHS will in all likelihood collapse in the near future, as it’s clearly not fit for purpose. We need to come up with a better solution, not continue to flog a horse that has been on its last legs for at least a decade (and no, throwing good money after bad is not the answer here)

@SheikhMaraca

*How does that work then? Particularly if You work out the home*

If you are capable of working out of the home on an average day, then omicron is literally no threat to you.

I’m tired of making sacrifices in an attempt to appease this ridiculous hysteria.

I'm perfectly capable of working, and work FT, I've worked since I was 13 Still vulnerable

I don't care what people do any more, I really don't but I am sick of the "othering"
It's always shield the vulnerable/they can stay in/it's only people who are elderly/oh they had underlying health conditions and acting like people who are CEV are all 95 and about to die
Or telling me I'm not vulnerable because I've had 3 vaccines or shouldn't have been vaccinated in the first place

Can't express strongly enough how one minute I was going out for a meal, the next I was standing in hospital with a masked up (pre covid) consultant and nurse going "wtf?"

BANG, 33 and a brand new underlying health condition

@HeronLanyon At the very least I want to know why we are so out of step with other countries with lower numbers who have increased restrictions very recently. That would be a good start and kind of basic info you’d think a lot would want to know.

I would imagine it’s fairly obvious by now that they set out different rules in each nation and then we all shift to whichever model works best. Christmas mixes things up a bit so we are waiting to see who dies most.

@DeclareThePenniesOnYourEyes

Agree with you *@Purplegurple*. He should be saying something with numbers as they are and the hospital issues being reported in London.

He isn’t in charge anymore though, the backbenchers are. He is hiding because he doesn’t want to stir up all the shit that was swirling before Christmas and potentially the letters addressed to Graham Brady. This is a political strategy right now, not one concerned with public health.

Also, hasn’t he just spent a week in Mustique? Or so the rumour mill is saying.

yes if it is all fine then perhaps some reassurance about that would be useful?

He said he had been in the UK for the last ten days, but he looked very cagey when he was asked!!

I'm perfectly capable of working, and work FT, I've worked since I was 13
Still vulnerable

I don't care what people do any more, I really don't but I am sick of the "othering"
It's always shield the vulnerable/they can stay in/it's only people who are elderly/oh they had underlying health conditions and acting like people who are CEV are all 95 and about to die
Or telling me I'm not vulnerable because I've had 3 vaccines or shouldn't have been vaccinated in the first place

Can't express strongly enough how one minute I was going out for a meal, the next I was standing in hospital with a masked up (pre covid) consultant and nurse going "wtf?"

BANG, 33 and a brand new underlying health condition*

You must be able to see that you are in a tiny, tiny minority.

We cannot make policy based on edge cases.

Those families made their own choices though, they had the option to isolate prior to Christmas and not catch it, but they didn’t.

Are you saying that they should have taken their kids out of school to avoid covid?

@SheikhMaraca I didn't say anything about restrictions
I'm just saying that there are a LOT of us who are vulnerable and living with things like blood cancer who work full time outside the home and are capable of doing so

5zeds I agree but very odd we are so out of step - even with wales and Scotland - and with no explanation of why or what the indicators are and when there will be a review which is shared publicly.

My nephew tested positive on an LFT yesterday but can't get a PCR as there is no stock. So his number won't be counted in

@WingingItSince1973 I think people are supposed to log it somewhere if they got a positive LFT. Then it'd be counted. So that's down to them.

Here you go www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/testing/test-results/report-a-rapid-lateral-flow-test-result/

Even the hospital and death numbers aren’t clear cut evidence.

In October, I gave birth on my kitchen floor, an ambulance arrived and took me to the hopeless with regained placenta and haemorrhaging.

I was tested for covid on arrival. My test was negative.

Had my test been positive I would have been “hospitalised with covid”. Had the haemorrhage killed me, I would have been a “a death wi the in 28 days of a positive covid test”

It’s so hard to know what the right thing to do is when all the figures and statistics are as clear as mud. If omicron is as contagious as we are told, it’s likely that many people in hospital will test positive with it, despite having no symptoms etc.

Not all of those families had the choice at all, what fairy land are you living in? I had to isolate over Christmas due to testing positive so missed out on time with my family. I had no choice to isolate the week before, I was at work - a key worker in a public facing role.

SheikhMaraca

Indeed. It’s a great chance for an overhaul of the NHS. If anyone can work out a best solution.

There’s no othering going on. It’s people saying they need to be othered. The rest of us wear masks when we need to ( forgetting accidentally), get jab but remain wary of gippy tummies and achy joints and got out but frown involuntarily at the coughing, sneezing person next to us.

@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken

Even the hospital and death numbers aren’t clear cut evidence.

In October, I gave birth on my kitchen floor, an ambulance arrived and took me to the hopeless with regained placenta and haemorrhaging.

I was tested for covid on arrival. My test was negative.

Had my test been positive I would have been “hospitalised with covid”. Had the haemorrhage killed me, I would have been a “a death wi the in 28 days of a positive covid test”

It’s so hard to know what the right thing to do is when all the figures and statistics are as clear as mud. If omicron is as contagious as we are told, it’s likely that many people in hospital will test positive with it, despite having no symptoms etc.

Took me to the hospital*

That’s a very unfortunate autocorrect 😳

I would not support more restrictions without hospitalisation and deaths really increasing now.

I have absolutely complied with all lockdowns and restrictions, I continue to do so eg masks and wfh, however the data is not indicating that lockdown is needed at the moment, I do not think the public would support it either.

I imagine the scientists are watching to see if this variant remains to be mild and how people manage with it.
Maybe they see it as a test to see if we can somehow begin to reopen normal life with the virus around us. Maybe it’s helping to boost immunity.
I think if the scientists wanted more lock downs they’d be telling Boris to do so.

What are you waiting for? what does Boris know that you don't when it comes to looking after your family? cases are high, deaths are low......

@Purplegurple

So numbers today over 183,000. How can BoJo and his cronies still be making no statement? No clear guidance, nothing. I'm not wanting lockdown or anything but can't believe they're so quiet over all this.

They’ve wanted this all along. Remember “herd immunity” back in the spring of 2020?

This government doesn’t actually give a toss about people getting ill or dying.

I wonder if the people saying stuff like ‘people could have isolated before Xmas to avoid covid’ or ‘I don’t mind 183 thousand cases, I only care about hospitalisations’ are all cosy WFH types with very little exposure to the real world who won’t have to deal with the massive fallout of that many cases each day (and rising).

@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken

Missed that bit, I was just giggling at you regaining your placenta!

@HeronLanyon I think we’re the baseline control. I’m guessing they felt England was the least compliant. If it’s a disaster people will flock to restrictions and if not they will feel like Boris made a better choice than his equivalents.

Wait and see, is ALWAYS hard to endure.

[quote Twillow]@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken

Missed that bit, I was just giggling at you regaining your placenta![/quote]
Breastfeeding on my right while typing with my left has made quite a hash of that post 😂