How can they still say nothing?

[Purplegurple]

So numbers today over 183,000. How can BoJo and his cronies still be making no statement? No clear guidance, nothing. I'm not wanting lockdown or anything but can't believe they're so quiet over all this.

As some of the most enthusiastic proponents of Let the Bodies pile up are very well aware, 6 out of 10 of those killed by Covid were disabled

I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make here. Is it really such a shock that people who are already in poor health are more likely to die from a virus that people who are not?

How can a statement of fact be considered offensive?

Been disabled is not equivalent to "being in poor health". Surely you know that.

It's quite Dickensian, this thread.

@Drunkpanda

Been disabled is not equivalent to "being in poor health". Surely you know that.

Being in poor health is literally the dictionary definition of disability.

@MilesJuppIsMyBitch

It's quite Dickensian, this thread.

Agreed.

I'm fully expecting someone to suggest Covid workhouses for the vulnerable just so they can crack on with their Friday nights at Wetherspoons.

If they would rather die, they’d better do it, and decrease the surplus population

SheikhMaraca

Drunkpanda
Been disabled is not equivalent to "being in poor health". Surely you know that.
Being in poor health is literally the dictionary definition of disability.

What dictionary are you using? They aren't the same at all.
Of course there is overlap. But you can have a disability and be in good health. Are you telling me all of the Paralympians are in poor health?

Learning disabled people with no health problems were much more likely to die.

Yes I think you're right. The government with the help of the media has successfully encouraged the public that 1000s killed every week is a 'low' number of deaths, and that eugenics lite letting the bodies pile up very high is acceptable. It's only The Others afterall. As for the million plus (and counting) Long Covid disabled? Shhhh, don't mention that. They're just another group of The Others

But 1000s aren’t dying every week and I do think that we need to live with this virus now.
I have always been an advocate of taking precautions like wearing a good mask and SD where possible
It was the lockdowns that have done more harm to my family than anything Covid could throw at us.
Dh has cancer and is type 1 diabetic. He has also had pneumonia 4-5 times. (I’ve lost count), Dmil is blind and has lost so much weight her legs won’t hold her weight and has dementia. Both have had Covid and for both of them it was a very mild 24 hour bug.

Myself and dc had Covid at the same time and couldn’t get out of bed for days and were really ill for weeks.

Whilst 6/10 people were disabled 4/10 weren’t which is quite a high figure.

I think it isn’t necessarily that all the elderly and clinically vulnerable are the ones that are most at risk. I think genetics plays a part

We have groups of friends who have batted the virus away and/or only realised they had Covid when they were tested. They come from all over the world bar a couple of areas

The friends that have family from a certain 2 or 3 areas have not only lost a lot of relatives to Covid but when they had Covid themselves it was a dreadful experience and they were ill for weeks.

@MilesJuppIsMyBitch

It's quite Dickensian, this thread.

Yes😂

But 1000s aren’t dying every week

I don't know where you live but sadly in the UK yes around 1000 a week are being killed by Covid.

I do think that we need to live with this virus now.

Yes I agree we need to live with it. Like we live with other dangerous activities. With risk reducing mitigations. Seat belts and child seats for cars. Masks, vaccine passes, ventilation for SARS-COV-2.

Wrt disability. As pp have pointed out, many disabled people are in good health, eg. learning disabled, and many people with well managed well controlled underlying conditions.

@rrhuth

But only covid matters, of course

It is because all conditions matter that having an unsustainable % of beds occupied due to covid is a concern.

If only covid mattered, why would anyone care that it is impacting treatments for other conditions? If only covid mattered, we would seek to admit as many covid patients as possible.

Yes, agree.

@SheikhMaraca which dictionary please? Because I just looked it up and got no reference to poor health.

Many people with disabilities are in better health than people without disabilities.

@Jourdain11

Yet Jeremy Corbyn voted against restrictions. Presumably because he knows that they are most punishing for those who have the least security.

The answer to social/health inequality is to direct the funding better to where it is needed, not just lockdown lockdown lockdown.

I thought Corbyn only voted against vaccine passports for nightclubs in England @Jourdain11? Do you have a link to show when he has voted against other restrictions?

www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2021/dec/14/how-did-your-mp-vote-on-the-new-covid-restrictions

I'm fully expecting someone to suggest Covid workhouses for the vulnerable just so they can crack on with their Friday nights at Wetherspoons.

We're already at "warehouse the children of ordinary folk in the sports hall"

@Tealightsandd actually that is incorrect around 1000 a week are dying within 28 days of a positive test, so when 1 in 20 people have covid this number will go up, but may not necessarily be because of covid.

Most recent ONS data England and Wales - 755 deaths in week 50 mention Covid (6.1% of deaths that week)

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales/2021

[quote AlecTrevelyan006]Most recent ONS data England and Wales - 755 deaths in week 50 mention Covid (6.1% of deaths that week)

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales/2021[/quote]

Don't be daft - it clearly states those are provisional figures. ONS data can take weeks to catch up due to the processes required for death certification etc.

[quote Opalfeet]@Tealightsandd actually that is incorrect around 1000 a week are dying within 28 days of a positive test, so when 1 in 20 people have covid this number will go up, but may not necessarily be because of covid.[/quote]
We've added over 20,000 to the covid death toll by what is written on the death certificate since "Freedom Day"

And the 28 day number is about to hit the 150,000 milestone.

@Opalfeet

I forgot to attach the pic

I feel like at this point we have to accept that we do not control the outcomes. We have treatments, vaccines , which is more than the poor people of Africa or India have. The constant outrage and horror at the fact we cannot stop all deaths seems unsustainable. For the developed world it's a completely different situation to what it was, and yet people still bay for lockdowns that increase inequality and impoverish us for decades.

Yes what is written on the death certificate...exactly. I'm not disputing covid deaths are high, but it makes sense to look at average excess deaths rather than looking at within 28 days of a POS test.

[quote rrhuth]@SheikhMaraca which dictionary please? Because I just looked it up and got no reference to poor health.

Many people with disabilities are in better health than people without disabilities.[/quote]
Look, you’re just being obtuse, and you know it.

I’m happy to debate the point with you, but you don’t really seem to want to engage with the substance of the issue.

Sheikh you wrote this exactly:
Being in poor health is literally the dictionary definition of disability.
I don't think the posters disagreeing with you are being obtuse!

It’s a bizarre argument, to try and suggest the average person with a disability is in better overall health than a person without a disability.