How can they still say nothing?

[Purplegurple]

So numbers today over 183,000. How can BoJo and his cronies still be making no statement? No clear guidance, nothing. I'm not wanting lockdown or anything but can't believe they're so quiet over all this.

@ChequerBoard so? The vast majority of this population who have experienced covid have MILD symptoms, are you honestly expecting another lockdown to mitigate against something that isn't making the majority of the population ill?

It's ridiculous to expect us to comply with further restrictions and lockdowns which are far more damaging, mentally and economically than the virus we're supposed to be protecting against. The quicker omicron rips through, the better.

over 176,000 who have died had covid on their death certificates.

I have read cardiologists are expecting more heart failures in 10-15 years time as a result of people having their hearts weakened by covid.

[quote daisymade]@ChequerBoard so? The vast majority of this population who have experienced covid have MILD symptoms, are you honestly expecting another lockdown to mitigate against something that isn't making the majority of the population ill?

It's ridiculous to expect us to comply with further restrictions and lockdowns which are far more damaging, mentally and economically than the virus we're supposed to be protecting against. The quicker omicron rips through, the better. [/quote]

And again the immediate assumption that a total lockdown is the only alternative to the frankly ridiculous suggestion to 'let it rip'. Do you any idea what the consequences are for the health system if that happens??

I prefer to listen to the experts. Like the NHS medical director Prof Stephen Powis who says that the service is on a "war footing". He has also clear said that the NHS "cannot wait to find out before we act" given the number of infections and uncertainty about Omicron's severity.

Deaths and hospitalisations are both slower to show up in the Covid data, often following rising case numbers after a few weeks. We haven't seen the result of the huge hike in case numbers that started just before Xmas yet.

Explain your experience and qualifications that underline why you know better the the medical director of the NHS?

More than 600 HCP are amongst the huge numbers of people killed by the Westminster government's let the bodies pile up Covid eugenics lite policy. Many more are long-term ill with disabling Long Covid.

1. The accusations you're making are actually demonstrably false and libellous. Also, very demeaning to people who (in line with government policy) have given up much to protect people from Covid.
2. Quit with the "killing people" talk. The government have not "killed people". The virus has killed people. Or been a contributing factor in their deaths.
3. The Long Covid stuff - I'm sorry, I do realise that some people are left with long-term issues after severe Covid. And I also realise that some experience post-viral fatigue conditions after an infection, mild or severe. But until the diagnostic criteria for LC are better defined, I just cannot take this "hundreds of thousands left disabled" stuff.

The quicker omicron rips through, the better This is completely wrong. You can only say this if you haven't accepted the basic facts about covid, Omicron or the impact on services.

"There have been two turning points in trends in life expectancy in England in the past decade. From 2011 increases in life expectancy slowed after decades of steady improvement, prompting much debate about the causes. Then in 2020, the Covid-19 pandemic was a more significant turning point, causing a sharp fall in life expectancy the magnitude of which has not been seen since World War II."

www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/whats-happening-life-expectancy-england

You can't libel 'the government'. Or a political party.

They can't bring a libel claim. Doesn't mean that a statement can't still be libellous.

And there no part of this is left leaning individuals/groups/unions trying to weaponise a crisis to damage the tories is there?

Thanks god (so far) for the back benchers.

@eatsleepfarmrepeat

170k have not died FROM covid, I wish people wouldn't quote data like that so flippantly.

The quicker it rips through everyone and we've all had a week off work with it, the quicker everyone can just get on with life and stop pissing in the wind with testing and days isolating.

Yes they have. The 170k figure is the death certificates data, not the 28 day measure (which is lower.) 170k people have covid on their death certificate as being the main/contributory cause of death. And the number of excess deaths correlates with this.

So done with misinformation and denial.

@Wizzbangfizz "let the bodies pile up"
You think that was fine?

No but I prefer to take a rounded balanced view of risk and damage to society by incessant on/off again lockdowns.

Some head of the NHS was tweeting yesterday that the profile is very different. He used the words “incidental covid” for the majority of cases. That is, people in for other things who happen to have covid, so their main treatment is not for respiratory problems etc. it’s for whatever brought them in otherwise.

You should read his whole thread. He did not mention incidentals for the majority - the latest NHS data shows that 70-75% of people in hospital are there for Covid, not with covid. And as he continues to say, the 'with covid' admissions have significant effects (and so often turn into 'for covid', being in a very vulnerable population.)

Really, this minimising is getting ridiculous.

I think lockdowns are an admission of failure. There are lots of mitigations that should be in place.

Indeed. The consequences of the Westminster government failing (and continuing to fail) to take Covid reduction measures

I don’t know how people can say things like this with a straight face.

No measures? Really? Are you sure?

@Madhairday

Really, this catastrophising and exaggerating is getting ridiculous

@eatsleepfarmrepeat

170k have not died FROM covid, I wish people wouldn't quote data like that so flippantly.

The quicker it rips through everyone and we've all had a week off work with it, the quicker everyone can just get on with life and stop pissing in the wind with testing and days isolating.

The lack of ability to think about what this might look like in reality really is something to behold. I hope you are ok with the danger of shops, goods, transport, health care etc becoming unavailable because of tens of thousand of people "having a week off work"all at the same time. It is already happening on the rail network.

He knows he can't put restrictions on because he didn't follow them therefore he knows people won't abide. He is unfit for government, all respect has been lost.

Why are people so keen to avoid the truth that Covid has killed so many people in this country?

I don't understand this either. I think people want to stick their fingers in their ears and pretend because the truth is inconvenient. T'was ever thus with any such thing (cf climate change)

It is like the Dont Look Up movement. Avoid the truth.

Do the people who deny the UK's covid mortality figures also disbelieve the stats from around the world and that 5,441,898 people have not really died of covid? Do they think that all governments are fiddling the figures? Why would that happen?

[quote hamstersarse]@Madhairday

Really, this catastrophising and exaggerating is getting ridiculous[/quote]
How is it 'catastrophising' to point out that you are telling lies when you talk about the majority of people in hospital having covid incidentally? I'm merely pointing out what the NHS report says. If that's exaggerating, take it up with the people who compile the reports.

www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/

The Spectator produces some very interesting graphs, using NHS data.
According to which, Covid patients occupy 6% of NHS hospital beds (16th graph)

The horrendous effect of all this on other services (hospital waiting times, A&E times, ambulance wait times etc) is very graphically apparent too.

data.spectator.co.uk/category/nhs

I do get annoyed when people point out that my dad ' would have died anyway ' of course , we are all going to die one day.
He had dementia and was 98, but getting covid did speed up his death and it was nasty and horrible and we couldn't see him either to say goodbye.
All the covid deniers and all those who think this a conspiracy and whatever can all do one.
Nothing about covid is normal at all even this milder version which I've had too.

@Dontforgetyourbrolly

What guidance do you need op ? It's time for people to think for themselves now

Agree