How can they still say nothing?

[Purplegurple]

So numbers today over 183,000. How can BoJo and his cronies still be making no statement? No clear guidance, nothing. I'm not wanting lockdown or anything but can't believe they're so quiet over all this.

@sst1234

When deaths were high, that was the news story - rightly. When hospitalizations were increasing, that was the reason for so much panic. Now that this hasn’t materialized with omicron, the focus was on the fact that almost 200k people are testing positive for a cold. And because that didn’t create mass panic, now the angle is that we are out of LFTs. Oh the horror, won’t someone do something? Why won’t they lock down the country? Why won’t they say something? Some Covid obsessives are so disappointed that Omicron turned out to be so mild - something SA experts had told us back in November. Anyway, as has been said by many sensible people already - cut isolation time to 5 days for symptomatic people and no isolation for asymptomatic people.

Nailed it!

[quote RoyalFamilyFan]@DoubleShotEspresso and worse, lots still not getting that lots of people in hospital or off sick has a real impact.[/quote]
Until this impacts them obviously 🙄

I'm waiting for education dept to make some sort
of announcement ..not closing schools but rules on masks etc etc

@RoyalFamilyFan - I don't know anyone who has been properly poorly who has been vaxxed and I know a lot of people. I'm over 40 and overweight and I was tired for a couple of days and only tested due to lack of smell!

Friends husband the same, multiple colleagues similar most kept on wfh.

There is no need for further restrictions.

[quote Wizzbangfizz]@RoyalFamilyFan - I don't know anyone who has been properly poorly who has been vaxxed and I know a lot of people. I'm over 40 and overweight and I was tired for a couple of days and only tested due to lack of smell!

Friends husband the same, multiple colleagues similar most kept on wfh.

There is no need for further restrictions.[/quote]

And yet 170k people have died.

Anecdotes are not data.

@Wizzbangfizz I am in my fifties like most of my friends and many work colleagues. Most have been ill for at least a week. One hospitalised, one died. At the moment a friend in her 50s a teacher has been off for 4 weeks ill with covid.
Glad everyone you know has only had a minor illness. Both my workplace and my partners has been decimated by people being ill, not by people just isolating - most wfh anyway so isolating makes little difference.

170k have not died FROM covid, I wish people wouldn't quote data like that so flippantly.

The quicker it rips through everyone and we've all had a week off work with it, the quicker everyone can just get on with life and stop pissing in the wind with testing and days isolating.

@eatsleepfarmrepeat

170k have not died FROM covid, I wish people wouldn't quote data like that so flippantly.

The quicker it rips through everyone and we've all had a week off work with it, the quicker everyone can just get on with life and stop pissing in the wind with testing and days isolating.

170k excess deaths on the last 12 months. What else are you going to blame it on?

There is no need for further restrictions.
Wizzbangfizz
There will be need for further restrictions in schools when term starts in a few days.

Schools where I used to live/ teach were having to close classes at the end of term due to the sheer amount of teachers who had tested positive and were actually unwell with Covid. They were holding on until the end of term and able to keep most classes open as it was so near Christmas and could arrange cover using TAs and even office staff. I know that many teachers/ school staff also tested positive the weekend after they broke up and many are still feeling ill. Without further restrictions in schools such as SD and enforced mask-wearing, the situation will be far worse in January.

@ChequerBoard are you sure they didn't all die of a broken leg and just happened to have covid as well?

Like i said exams cancelled. But last minute agajn

Staff under massive pressure now will be out under more till the end of the year.

@Lulu1919

I'm waiting for education dept to make some sort of announcement ..not closing schools but rules on masks etc etc

Wait until 8:55 on your first day back then you might hear something of import.

@ChequerBoard

A large number of these excess deaths occurred at home and are therefore very unlikely to be as a result of covid.

Indeed, deaths from cancer, dementia, heart disease etc are all substantially up.

[quote PinkTree7]@ChequerBoard

A large number of these excess deaths occurred at home and are therefore very unlikely to be as a result of covid.

Indeed, deaths from cancer, dementia, heart disease etc are all substantially up.[/quote]

OK.

Read the BMJ article that explains the truth behind the numbers then.

That's if you can be bothered with facts rather than Facebook frothing.

David Oliver: Mistruths and misunderstandings about covid-19 death numbers

@ChequerBoard perhaps the fact that the NHS was covid focussed for the first 12 months of the pandemic and people missed diagnosis, treatment, operations which would have saved their lives.

[quote eatsleepfarmrepeat]@ChequerBoard perhaps the fact that the NHS was covid focussed for the first 12 months of the pandemic and people missed diagnosis, treatment, operations which would have saved their lives. [/quote]

Then their primary diagnosis would not be recorded as Covid on their death certificate.

Why are people so keen to avoid the truth that Covid has killed so many people in this country?

The data is there.

You can't use excess deaths and then go on about what it says on death certificate, pick one as they are different figures.

Died of covid - with covid- with a broken leg - of cancer- of suicide- traffic incident etc all matter!

Covid has had a direct and indirect impact on people’s lives and mortality rate.
ONS data shows that regardless of the deaths within 28 days of catching covid that the gov uses.
Ultimately the ONS data show excessive deaths compared to previous years and thats what we need to look at.
Trivialising the cause of death is disgusting.

At the risk of being called a liar (again), it really isn’t ‘just a week’ off work for many people. Many of my colleagues at school were off for weeks. And no, they aren’t malingering. I really do think some workplaces have got off very lightly, hence some rather skewed views about the severity of illness experienced,

I would be more confident that schools could remain open if wearing a mask was compulsory in all classrooms. It would seem that omicron is milder than delta but the fact it is more contagious means we need something to help until ventilation is improved in schools. Staffing will be an issue as cutting isolation time only works if people actually feel well enough to work.

I guess we will see regarding schools, it was rife in our school and yet it remained open. Also I kept mine off last time and won't do it again - I will be using key worker status as will many others I know so I don't think they will shut again in the same way as before.

[quote eatsleepfarmrepeat]@ChequerBoard perhaps the fact that the NHS was covid focussed for the first 12 months of the pandemic and people missed diagnosis, treatment, operations which would have saved their lives. [/quote]
Indeed. The consequences of the Westminster government failing (and continuing to fail) to take Covid reduction measures. We're pretty much alone on the world in not implementing decent basic infection control mitigating measures.

Hence the NHS being very very busy with Covid patients. Cos, you know, pretending Covid isn't around, doesn't actually make it go away.

So the hospitals full of Covid patients and the HCP off sick (with Covid, Long Covid, and/or PTSD). Or dead. More than 600 HCP are amongst the huge numbers of people killed by the Westminster government's let the bodies pile up Covid eugenics lite policy. Many more are long-term ill with disabling Long Covid.

trivialising the cause of death is disgusting

So is not putting out the correct cause of death, as a pp I'd like to know who died of covid not with covid.

@VaccineSticker sorry my comment was sarcasm.
Of course covid caused these peoples deaths.

@Againstmachine

You can't use excess deaths and then go on about what it says on death certificate, pick one as they are different figures.

I prefer to look at excess deaths - it's so obvious as a measure and hard to avoid the truth that the pandemic is the cause of those deaths.

Yet you still get Facebook warriors bleating out the 'With not Of' trope. And that's when it's important to reference the ONS data which is irrefutable and clearly highlights that yes. People have indeed died Of Covid in their thousands.

Excess deaths will be interesting to see if they level out due to people of a certain age dieing earlier than they should have.

I agree many thousands have died but but not all of those excess deaths will be covid.