Booster protection wanes after 10 weeks against omicron….

[Muchtoomuchtodo]

Just seen this on the BBC news
… mine was 13 1/2 weeks ago and I’ve just volunteered to cover extra shifts outside of my normal area of work in the NHS should the need arise.
Oh heck…..

I doubt it wandering

My biggest worry is the damage to the reputation of other vaccines - life saving vaccines and medical science. So much distrust snd the fall out will be decades

Did you see the BMJ open letter to zuckerberg on the fact checkers?

Sunk cost fallacy ….

People are behaving so strangely these days it really unsettles me

Yes, I read about the ten week immunity. Our ECV friend has already been told he'll need a fourth booster. They'll be lots of ECV, CV, elderly and those connected with healthcare who will have reduced immunity in Jan.

Those that were towards the end of the queue, will have increased Immunity. 18+ who want the booster will have had it this month, we'll then be back to starting all over again.

@StarryNightSky26

Yep. Apparently there is not yet a proper early treatment protocol for early Covid. Work on that, oximeter manager at home, better medication. Australian scientists are working on a heparin nasal spray which supposedly helps stops it spreading. A whole barrage of strategies, with vaccination reserved for the vulnerable during the peak season. At this rate the virus is mutating and the vaccine waning faster than we can vaccinate.

Forgot to say, now wondering if I'd have been better having AZ as a booster given the news released today

Thanks @Thievesoil. No I haven't seen that. I'll check it out. Yes, I agree with you

I'm triple vaxxed, had what I'm pretty sure was covid march last year and then same thing in october but much milder. Been really ill after each vaccine, and the last pfizer one has left me with permanent pains in lower back/hips. Won't be having any more

The baying calls in MN for mandates made me understand how previous things have happened in history. Dark dark times. I think the light is just there

@Madmog

Yes, I read about the ten week immunity. Our ECV friend has already been told he'll need a fourth booster. They'll be lots of ECV, CV, elderly and those connected with healthcare who will have reduced immunity in Jan.

Those that were towards the end of the queue, will have increased Immunity. 18+ who want the booster will have had it this month, we'll then be back to starting all over again.

I figure though that we won't need boosters so much in the spring and summer, as the risk will be reduced March- September. So it might be vaccinations in January / February for some.

And then possibly another round in the autumn.

If effectively 99% of the population gets exposed to omicron over this winter, that will also have a bearing on immunity in the medium term.

"The baying calls in MN for mandates made me understand how previous things have happened in history. Dark dark times. I think the light is just there"

No need for hysteria and scaremongering!

@Notlabeled

Now that even the boosted are going to be classed as unvaccinated, maybe we can charge them for their NHS care to if they catch covid?

How irresponsible to have only had 3 jabs

where did you get this from?

It’s ridiculous that anyone seems to accept that getting boosted again is worthwhile . I had covid less than 2 months after second vax just over a month ago . Head a headache and tired for 2 days. The cold I have had subsequently was much much worse with bad cough, headaches, shivers . What is the point in boosting for an illness that is so mild and only gives you protection supposedly for a few weeks ?

The illness is mild and vaccinated are spreading it too . What will it actually take for people to realise that they can’t go on like this j

"What is the point in boosting for an illness that is so mild and only gives you protection supposedly for a few weeks ?"

Because it's not mild for everyone?

We also don't know if hospitalisation risk wanes etc. It may be that protection drops from say 98 % to 90% which doesn't sound bad but would be a 5 times increase

Walksen - my scaremongering? You are kidding. It’s been every day plus not treating them medically.

@Thievesoil

The baying calls in MN for mandates made me understand how previous things have happened in history. Dark dark times. I think the light is just there

I agree totally @Thievesoil. I don't think you're exaggerating or being hysterical at all. Some of the threads on here the last few days terrified me, and left me deeply saddened. I do think the PCBs (pious Covid bullies) are just a very vocal minority though. I hope anyway!

Hopefully, the vaccines are boosting the production of T cells in our bodies, which will ultimately provide the best protection from coronaviruses.
I am immensely grateful to have had my current 3 doses, and will continue to accept what is offered, just as I do with my annual ’flu jab.

@Prescottdanni123

I don't know how they know this. We haven't even known about Omicron's existence for 10 weeks.

I imagine because they are seeing more people becoming more seriously ill with omicron in those who had boosters early compared to those recently boostered.

@walksen

"What is the point in boosting for an illness that is so mild and only gives you protection supposedly for a few weeks ?"

Because it's not mild for everyone?

We also don't know if hospitalisation risk wanes etc. It may be that protection drops from say 98 % to 90% which doesn't sound bad but would be a 5 times increase

We’ve done enough ‘for others’.

There should be no more restrictions. Everyone should be free to take the risks they are happy with. End of.

Everyone should be free to take the risks they are happy with. End of

I think the prize for wilfully ignoring the nature of infectious diseases has to go to thus one!

"End of"

Not up to you though is it? You asked what the point was but don't like the answer. So much for the concept of society.

@MoggyP

Everyone should be free to take the risks they are happy with. End of

I think the prize for wilfully ignoring the nature of infectious diseases has to go to thus one!

I understand how it works. I just no longer care.

@Thievesoil

Is Omicron not a bit of a blessing? It’s like a free and mild longer lasting vaccine. Those who need a booster should have one but the healthy folk should get omicron and we can all start life again

Except as recent infection with delta doesn't offer much protection from omicron, it may well be the case that infection with omicron doesn't protect from delta.

Plus omicron doesn't seem to be intrinsically much milder than delta, it just appears that way because most people it infects have some level of immunity already.

I am by no means an anti vaxxer and have gladly had two jabs and a booster along with a flu jab this year. However, I don't know how willing I would be to keep putting this stuff in my body for a fourth, fifth or sixth time in the space of a year.

www.healthline.com/health/anxiety/effects-on-body#Immune-system

But if you repeatedly feel anxious and stressed or it lasts a long time, your body never gets the signal to return to normal functioning. This can weaken your immune system, leaving you more vulnerable to viral infections and frequent illnesses. Also, your regular vaccines may not work as well if you have anxiety

Maybe, if there wasn't so much doom, gloom and scaremongering coming from the media, governments and SM, things may start to change. Just a thought.

@NCnotmyusualone
But the people who had their booster weeks ago are likely to be vulnerable and old. So even getting covid in the form of a heavy cold or mild flu could make them really unwell. Not necessarily a sign that the booster is already waning. It is too early for speculation and panic.