Page 4 | A possible solution to save the NHS from the unvaccinated

MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry · 23/12/2021 20:55

@Awalkintime

They have compared nurses to Nazis and suggested they are treated in a similar way to those who commit war crimes so surely they wouldn't want those same people to treat them? In the same way aggressive people can be asked to leave, I agree they should be asked to leave too if they hold this view of the staff they are asking help from.

Who is ‘they’?

GaolBhoAlba · 23/12/2021 20:56

@HappySonHappyMum

I think by now that most people have had ample opportunity to be vaccinated. Huge percentages of people in intensive care are only there because they are unvaccinated. Most people who remain unvaccinated have chosen to remain that way - excluding those that cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons obviously. Would it be unreasonable to ask the unvaccinated to sign a liabilty waiver that says they agree that their personal choice excludes them from free NHS treatment for Covid? I am not suggesting that they are left to die - that would be inhumane and unethical - but I think they should pay for their treatment as they have made an active choice to ignore medical advice. Their choices are preventing the NHS from providing help for those who are suffering from all kinds of other conditions that do not stem from a personal decision. The money could be ploughed back into the NHS. Is this unreasonable?

Its not unreasonable, its deranged.

Actual sick of seeing utter twonks suggest this nonsense.

withlotsoflove · 23/12/2021 20:56

I have to wonder what goes through the mind of someone who posts shit like this.
What were you doing before op ?
Watching TV
Scrolling Facebook, what?
What then inspired you to post & actually expect to have regular humans agree?
I’m not jabbed ( yet) but haven’t seen a doctor since 1983. Exceptions being my children’s births.
I’ve paid NI contributions since 1987.
Can u say the same?

PoloMintHum · 23/12/2021 20:56

Yabu.

How about we check how much each person has paid in taxes. Anyone who earns under £30k costs more in taxes than they pay in, I understand. Therefore there should be a surcharge on those not paying enough to fund their proportion of public services.

How much tax did you pay last year OP? Need to check your status.

Of course I'm joking. Stop vilifying a group who have made a legitimate choice.

Original poster

HappySonHappyMum · 23/12/2021 20:56

So you all think it's completely unreasonable. I have not said that the unvaccinated should not be treated, I have not said this charge should apply to any other condition, I have said that this would not apply to the medically exempt. Covid is an extreme illness that was unforseen and has devestating consequences. Would you all feel the same way if I told you that 85% of the IC beds in my local hospital are occupied by unvaccinated patients? And that because of this all outpatient appointments at my local hospital have been postponed because capacity has been dramatically reduced. And consequently the treatment that my relative needs has now been postponed for two full years. And that the consequences of this postponement has meant that my relative now claims disability benefits and now needs major surgery? Is the personal choice to remain unvaccinated reasonable now when it has such huge knock on consequences to other people?

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RoastedParsnips · 23/12/2021 20:56

Fuck off.

Should obese people who eat themselves to death and then wonder why they have x, y and z wrong with them also be forced to pay up?

clopper · 23/12/2021 20:58

As halfagoat says
think you are trying to create hate and division. Don't you have anything else better to do with your time?

This ^

Kshhuxnxk · 23/12/2021 20:58

Oh FFS, how many times, NHS treatment is not free! Oh and do fuck off being judgemental. You had a kid that's riskier then bloody anything. And yes, I've got a shit argument because people like you would line people up and shoot them so honestly, you're not worth it.

RoastedParsnips · 23/12/2021 20:58

Whatever happened to good will at Christmas?

Op the 1940s called, Germany wants you back.

Ugzbugz · 23/12/2021 20:58

If unvaccinated people start flooding the NHS over the next few weeks maybe they can help to pay towards hospitality as they will be financially crippled as they will be the first to be closed.

jgw1 · 23/12/2021 20:59

@Japanesejazz

How about people who don’t pay tax shouldn’t get treatment on the NHS? Why should we tax payers fund the long term unemployed getting free healthcare? People too sick to work, why should they get free prescriptions and I don’t? I pay tax, NI and for private healthcare. This is a windup btw Thought I had better make that clear as mumsnet humour seems to be a thing of the past The government should make all unvaccinated people wear a badge so we can avoid them though?!? The vaccine won’t stop you from getting or transmitting the virus but might stop you from taking a bed in a national health service which has been on the brink of collapse for years The current crisis is due to staffing levels not Covid

I quite agree, children should not get free NHS treatment because they don't pay taxes. We could extend it to other public services too, children should be sent to work in order to pay for their education the horrible scroungers.

Kshhuxnxk · 23/12/2021 20:59

@HappySonHappyMum

So you all think it's completely unreasonable. I have not said that the unvaccinated should not be treated, I have not said this charge should apply to any other condition, I have said that this would not apply to the medically exempt. Covid is an extreme illness that was unforseen and has devestating consequences. Would you all feel the same way if I told you that 85% of the IC beds in my local hospital are occupied by unvaccinated patients? And that because of this all outpatient appointments at my local hospital have been postponed because capacity has been dramatically reduced. And consequently the treatment that my relative needs has now been postponed for two full years. And that the consequences of this postponement has meant that my relative now claims disability benefits and now needs major surgery? Is the personal choice to remain unvaccinated reasonable now when it has such huge knock on consequences to other people?

The unvaccinated didn't cause this - bad management and lack of investment in the NHS caused this.

MNHQ

GoodKimWenceslasMumsnet · 23/12/2021 20:59

Hi, OP. We're moving your thread to the Coronavirus board now.

BlameItOnTheBlackStar · 23/12/2021 21:00

@SockFluffInTheBath

My daughter was in ICU earlier this year, they saved her life. Would I have been pissed if a bed wasn’t available because it was full of unvaccinated Covid patients? Would any of us honestly be ‘ok’ with that?

Well luckily that's why family members aren't in charge of prioritising patient care.

Awalkintime · 23/12/2021 21:00

XenoBitch
Who do you think?

XenoBitch · 23/12/2021 21:00

@Ugzbugz

If unvaccinated people start flooding the NHS over the next few weeks maybe they can help to pay towards hospitality as they will be financially crippled as they will be the first to be closed.

Hospitality is already crippled to due to people locking them selves down and cancelling their xmas parties. Fully vaccinated people locking themselves down. Why?

Awalkintime · 23/12/2021 21:01

@RoastedParsnips

Fuck off.

Should obese people who eat themselves to death and then wonder why they have x, y and z wrong with them also be forced to pay up?

The obese get refused treatment already quite frequently.

LookslovelyinSpringtime · 23/12/2021 21:02

I do wonder what sort of people start this sort of thread. Please get a life OP and stop stirring up hatred.

Starcup · 23/12/2021 21:02

@SockFluffInTheBath

My daughter was in ICU earlier this year, they saved her life. Would I have been pissed if a bed wasn’t available because it was full of unvaccinated Covid patients? Would any of us honestly be ‘ok’ with that?

This is the issue.

After all the hundreds of threads on this subject etc…. It comes down to this -

If your child was involved in a terrible car accident and you were told there was no room in the ICU and there was nothing else they could do…

I bet people would soon change their tune on the subject….

PinkiOcelot · 23/12/2021 21:03

YABVU to start another of these ridiculous threads. People who are unvaccinated have got just as much right to treatment as anyone else and to suggest otherwise is pathetic.

Let’s stop treating smokers, drinkers, people who do sport, people who drive etc etc

cherryonthecakes · 23/12/2021 21:03

I think Yabu

Good health is often a matter of luck and genetics.

If only unvaccinated people got sick, you might have a point but are you really asking medical staff to deny care based on vaccination status? I don't want to live in a country where people get into debt over NHS medical treatment and where medical staff have to do the heartbreaking work of denying care. Imagining having to tell someone who is struggling to breathe that they will have to pay to get better. ICU care can be 6 figure sums

XenoBitch · 23/12/2021 21:03

@Awalkintime

XenoBitch Who do you think?

No, you tell us who "they" is. You are making huge sweeping statements about people who have not had the vaccine.

Buzzinwithbez · 23/12/2021 21:03

People pay for their care through taxes.

MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry · 23/12/2021 21:04

@Awalkintime

XenoBitch Who do you think?

It’s your post, clarify who you are talking about.

IDespairOfTheHumanRace · 23/12/2021 21:04

Fuck, not this old trope again - how to cause a divided society in one fell swoop, the self righteous trying to cause unneccessary division - off you pop and polish your badge, the self appointed 'saviour of the NHS'