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Hope the Govt keeps its nerve

219 replies

Wizzbangfizz · 22/12/2021 21:44

Against another lockdown?

I know it is back bench pressure keeping us from where wales and Scotland are going to be/are. Due to that though I think we have a chance of coming through this - seeing it out and hopefully getting on with it on 2022 (I'd except back to tables in hospitality) - especially in light of the 10-7 days isolation reduction now?

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covidhater · 22/12/2021 23:35

@MarshaBradyo agree

RoyalFamilyFan · 22/12/2021 23:35

@bumbleymummy none of the people I know that wont meet up are scared. But they want to spend Christmas with vulnerable people, so are isolating beforehand. Most people care about their vulnerable relativés.

herecomesthsun · 22/12/2021 23:35

Actually Public health messaging is usually money very well spent. Getting people to change their behaviour before they get ill is fantastic.

covidhater · 22/12/2021 23:36

@Tealightsandd

And however hard, it's easier to build new businesses than it is to bring people back to life. It's also easier to rebuild a business than it is to stop being too disabled to work.
Oh purleese how will we pay for nhs if no one working you are very dramatic
Tealightsandd · 22/12/2021 23:36

@MarshaBradyo

I don't smoke nowadays but when I did, I preferred outside. Don't like smoky indoors. And it's more sociable out and about.

On that note I'll bid you goodnight 🚬💉😷Xmas Smile

covidhater · 22/12/2021 23:38

@Tealightsandd

Maybe time for someone to accept their disappointment and call it a night?

Disappointment implies expectation. I had zero when it comes to the Westminster government.

I'm simply calling out immoral and anti science policies.

We can't always stop bad things being done but we don't have to justify, excuse, or condone them.

But you're right about just one thing. It is nearly time for my relaxing soak in the bath. I'll wish you all goodnight and be off soon. Enjoy the echo chamber and have a good night Xmas Smile

You lock yourself down love
RoyalFamilyFan · 22/12/2021 23:44

@covidhater you are very patronising.

Coughee · 22/12/2021 23:44

Am I missing something? We're not locked down in Wales? No sports or nightclubs and restrictions on numbers but not locked down. I'm also not sure why the sneariness about Wales, Scotland and ni given the kinds of party shenanigans Boris and Co have been up to!

Smallkeys · 22/12/2021 23:45

This morning the papers online like sky and daily fail might even have been bbc too can’t quite remember but they were saying there would be meetings and decisions about new year in 48 hours by Boris but by the afternoon those stories hadn’t moved off the top spot but completely disappeared makes me think there will be no Ny restriction unless something drastically changed

Tealightsandd · 22/12/2021 23:45

Quick final note.

Talking of false economy.

We spend billions on the consequences of the public health housing and homelessness emergency (a major contributory factor re obesity and other socioeconomic Covid risk factors).

Imagine if instead we spent the money for good, on preventative public health - aka social housing.

Jobs for many (construction, etc). And therefore tax income. More disposable income for the public to spend on the economy instead of high housing costs.

And it would save the taxpayer billions longer-term.

We currently spend billions on housing homeless families in temporary accommodation, billions on benefits for high private rentals, and many billions on the indirect consequences of the housing emergency (social services, criminal justice system, NHS including mental health).

MarshaBradyo · 22/12/2021 23:46

@herecomesthsun

Actually Public health messaging is usually money very well spent. Getting people to change their behaviour before they get ill is fantastic.
It is effective, very much so when the media is used to full effect,

That was my point it isn’t the public leading it but acting off the back of recent coverage

That downturn in demand has meant Sunak extra £1bn package

covidhater · 22/12/2021 23:47

[quote RoyalFamilyFan]@covidhater you are very patronising.[/quote]
And ?

Smallkeys · 22/12/2021 23:55

Oh well there you are Boris decided to wait foe data till after the 25th according to the daily fail headline gahhhhh

Hazelnutbean · 22/12/2021 23:55

@Tealightsandd

Ok, what's your plan here? A perpetual lockdown?... Only the most stringent restrictions will keep Omicron at bay, and if vaccines will never be good enough, then it seems we have to put society on hold forever, literally.

sleepwouldbenice · 22/12/2021 23:56

[quote RoyalFamilyFan]@covidhater you are very patronising.[/quote]
And ignorant

bumbleymummy · 22/12/2021 23:59

@Smallkeys

Oh well there you are Boris decided to wait foe data till after the 25th according to the daily fail headline gahhhhh
Good. If the positive news continues we can hopefully reverse all the restrictions rather than introducing new ones.
BogRollBOGOF · 23/12/2021 00:05

@Coughee

Am I missing something? We're not locked down in Wales? No sports or nightclubs and restrictions on numbers but not locked down. I'm also not sure why the sneariness about Wales, Scotland and ni given the kinds of party shenanigans Boris and Co have been up to!
The only lives likely to be saved by banning parkrun in Wales is that of any stray snails on the path on a Saturday morning, delivered from the risk of a crushing encounter with the sole of a trainer.

How on earth does banning outdoors, individual, community exercise make the slightest jot of difference??? There is zero justification to restrict activities held entirely outside.

Drakeford is delusional and deranged.
Absolute lunacy.

Pensieve · 23/12/2021 00:06

Whatever your politics and I’m no BoJo fan but it must be immense pressure to be holding the line right now. Rock and hard place when not much data isn’t available.

Well done all those people gathering and analysing data so rapidly.

Smallkeys · 23/12/2021 00:06

Yes no restrictions would be good but it’s the knife edge of not knowing and having large events planned for early January or for others NYE . But guess it’s a waiting game

Booklover3 · 23/12/2021 00:11

Looking promising at the moment 🤞

Tealightsandd · 23/12/2021 00:11

@Hazelnutbean

Was just about to log off.

I've posted many times what I'd do. Which is everything to avoid the need for a lockdown (something necessary as a last resort, or in the case of the UK because mitigations weren't employed)

Too late for my personal preference, which was pandemic border control (with real quarantine for genuinely essential travel). I choose domestic freedom over international travel.

Next option. Follow the advice of the world's experts including the WHO. Had we done so - and opted for Vaccine Plus (mitigations), we wouldn't be in quite such a bad place. Yes omicron is hitting other countries too, but few as badly as us. Because we were already in a bad way. An NHS and HCP shattered by months of a 'stable' 1000s of Covid deaths a week. Our surge comes from a much higher place than somewhere else's surge from previously low numbers.

What did they do differently? Mitigation. Masks, good ventilation (including HEPA filters), vaccine passes.

Longer-term. Vaccines will make a big difference. They already are.

In the future, we might need annual boosters (if so, no biggie - we already do with flu), then again we might not.

Tealightsandd · 23/12/2021 00:13

We'll also hopefully have the rest of the world vaccinated in the future. And we'll have more knowledge of what is still after only two years a new (possibly lab leaked) disease.

Finally, in the future we'll have wider availability of the new drug treatments.

Ok. DP is right. I need to take a break from you lot and get to bed. Definitely logging off this time! Smile

Aposterhasnoname · 23/12/2021 06:30

God I hope so. There does seem to have a bit of switch from doom and gloom, to more positive messages in the papers the last day or so.

I think this is the moment we choose, live with it, or restrictions every winter for years to come.

PAFMO · 23/12/2021 06:46

@Franklin12

Boris needs to hold his nerve. The scientists love their models, worst case scenarios, scaring the life out of people to cover themselves. They just want data after data and it’s about time the views were balanced.

I see Wales and Scotland did their usual controlling, we know what is best etc.

Out of interest, what are you wanting to compare scientific data to?
PAFMO · 23/12/2021 06:48

[quote Tealightsandd]@Hazelnutbean

Was just about to log off.

I've posted many times what I'd do. Which is everything to avoid the need for a lockdown (something necessary as a last resort, or in the case of the UK because mitigations weren't employed)

Too late for my personal preference, which was pandemic border control (with real quarantine for genuinely essential travel). I choose domestic freedom over international travel.

Next option. Follow the advice of the world's experts including the WHO. Had we done so - and opted for Vaccine Plus (mitigations), we wouldn't be in quite such a bad place. Yes omicron is hitting other countries too, but few as badly as us. Because we were already in a bad way. An NHS and HCP shattered by months of a 'stable' 1000s of Covid deaths a week. Our surge comes from a much higher place than somewhere else's surge from previously low numbers.

What did they do differently? Mitigation. Masks, good ventilation (including HEPA filters), vaccine passes.

Longer-term. Vaccines will make a big difference. They already are.

In the future, we might need annual boosters (if so, no biggie - we already do with flu), then again we might not.[/quote]
Thank you, as ever @Tealightsandd for your measured posts.
If I don't "see" you around before Christmas, have a lovely one! Brew