Israel now rolling out 4th set of jabs

[WineGetsMeThroughIt]

Just that really. Who's looking forward to their 4th jab in a few months??

@WineGetsMeThroughIt

Just that really. Who's looking forward to their 4th jab in a few months??

Yes by all means!

I’ve had mine but I have a lot of empathy for people who have had bad reactions! I think there needs to be analysis on costs (financial too!) of vaccinating everyone moving forward. Seems sensible to scale it back to the vulnerable or to people who would get flu vaccine?

@Bewildered2021

This is insane especially with the long term effects still unknown.

Vaccines don’t have long term side effects. Well they do - you don’t get seriously ill from X disease - but that’s all. Maybe read up on how they are designed to work?

So they think it only lasts 2 months?

I signed up to an NHS antibody test a few weeks back and am super pleased I got my test link this morning.

I would rather go down a personalised route regardless of if I have to pay private for it in the future. I have googled it around £200 for a full Roche and T cell count.

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Bewildered2021

This is insane especially with the long term effects still unknown.

Vaccines don’t have long term side effects. Well they do - you don’t get seriously ill from X disease - but that’s all. Maybe read up on how they are designed to work? smile
Well, that's not entirely true, is it? We're barely ten years on from the swine flu epidemic of 2009-2010, when millions of people received GSK's Pandemrix vaccine. It was found to be associated with increased risk of narcolepsy, and it is now accepted that the vaccine caused narcolepsy in some people.

I'm not anti-vax - I'm double-jabbed and boosted - but I don't think it's fair to pooh-pooh people's legitimate fears about having multiple doses of a very new vaccine.

HNRTT and it's slightly different as 'flu vacc is 'strain'-based (more complicated and terminology is incorrect) rather than repeated boosters of the same 'strain' but some UK patients might have had around 60? annual 'flu vaccinations with significant health benefits and reduction in mortality since the 'flu vacc programme was introduced in the sixties (before my time so not sure of exact numbers). Would be interesting how many people at the time talked about conspiracies, whether there were valve wireless sets hidden in the vaccination and so on.

Perhaps postcards were angrily exchanged amongst conspiracy-theorists to share opinions in real time?

@BurntO

Let’s go! It takes 5 minutes

No it a doesn’t. The first vaccine put me in bed for several days feeling really ill, and the Moderna booster last weekend left me feeling really unwell. have no childcare and have to plan it around when my DS who is 7 is not in school. He has to help look after me. It’s not only unpleasant, it’s massively inconvenient.

I will still it have it though because it’s the right thing to do for society and I don’t fancy having Covid.

Meanwhile 44% of the world has not even had one jab. Even WHO advises against boosting non-vulnerable populations while this is still the case, but countries like the UK and Israel are ignoring it.

And we wonder why new variants keep appearing 😩

@OfMinceAndMen

I guess I'll be forced into having as many jabs as needed to be able to fly abroad, as I'd like to go on holiday again at some point. However, I'm still waiting for the huge public health campaign encouraging people to lose weight, get active, and get outdoors to top up their Vitamin D - undoing some of the harm of the "stay home" message that's been pushed throughout. I think I'll be waiting a long time...

Quite!

@GreenLunchBox

Surely it needs to just be the vulnerable now, like they do with the flu jab

How long can they keep boosting everyone for? How much will this cost? Who is making money from it? Is it necessary? Do normally fit and healthy people really need boosting against something they will probably catch anyway? Are you in the demographic which gets the flu shot?

So many questions to ask before simply saying "Yeah, bring it on" and rolling your sleeve up

And YES to the poster who asked where's the campaign and action and funding to get Brits taking proactive charge of their own health, diet and fitness rather than relying on a regular jab to try and keep Covid away.

@Luredbyapomegranate

Fine by me. I imagine there will be a few more and then yearly like flu.

How fucking lucky we are to live in a country with the money and infrastructure to do this.

But we don't.

@HesterShaw1

Absolutely. Yet we’ve somehow got to a point where it’s not ok to ask questions. We must simply ‘trust the science’.

But what we’re being asked to ‘trust’ is not the science itself but the way the science is being interpreted and reported (often poorly). Even twenty minutes spent looking into the ACTUAL science raises more questions than it answers. And then there’s the (very effective) propaganda from the government and the drug companies.

They’ve done an incredible job at making it socially unacceptable to question anything.

@HesterShaw1

For the avoidance of doubt, it's not primary care making the money. And now we see the reality of changes they've introduced about funding and targets hidden behind the misleading 'We're suspending targets to allow primary care to focus on vaccinations', we're likely to lose money (£10,000+) after directing resources to prioritise vaccinations. We have anyway as we want to help our patients while still offering F2F but the HCPs, receptionists and admin are even more broken.

Perhaps the enquiry will look at where the £10s? of billions (have seen £44bn! but not sure of substance) of UK COVID contracts went and for what but suspect there may be a disjuncture between the apparent teeth of the enquiry and the reality.

I’ve had 3 jabs now in 8 months. Each has made me very unwell and in bed for 4-10 days.

Enough now. I’m not having a 4th jab. The booster made me so unwell.

My drs has already messaged to say don't bother ringing them. Are we just going to accept having no access to drs any more because by the time they have completed one vaccine campaign its time fir another.

Is there a point to the first three if u then need a 4th to be considered vaccinated?

People won't bother now because they just want be able to keep up.

I'm concerned about the long term effects of all these vaccinations though - we just don't know what they are doing to our body in the long term. I get the risk v's benefit for 2 and even the booster but every few months for what is a mild illness for many? Surely it's a waste of money and they should concentrate on vaccinating the vulnerable?

Also, when will it end? People saying they'd have it yearly, would you then be unvaccinated for part of the year if they were to become mandatory (or limitations put on unvaccinated)?

Well it's better than lockdowns so bring it on.

I worry about take up waning however. It was hard enough to persuade some people to get two let alone three and four.

@milly74 I 100% agree with you.

Rather than rely on jabs I've been getting healthy. working 50 hours a week and barely having the energy to cook in the evening with stress headaches and having wine and cereal for tea isn't really a winning combination.
Doing park runs and taking my vitamin B's,C,D,K, Iron, Zinc & copper, Boron and calcium and magnesium (Not all at once, I stagger, alternate days) I've never felt better.

@NMC2022

I'm having my 4th in January, my third was a primary vaccine so the 4th is my booster so it's already happening here for a specific group

Same here. I’m thinking we will probably end up with a 5th if we copy Israel.

Bring it on. I don’t want Covid-19 nor long Covid.

Can't believe how many people are happy to be endlessly jabbed with vaccines with no long term safety data! Seriously? What happened to letting your immune system do its job? The Government have done a number on you. Stop bloody panicking and get on with your lives!

[quote Zilla1]@HesterShaw1

For the avoidance of doubt, it's not primary care making the money. And now we see the reality of changes they've introduced about funding and targets hidden behind the misleading 'We're suspending targets to allow primary care to focus on vaccinations', we're likely to lose money (£10,000+) after directing resources to prioritise vaccinations. We have anyway as we want to help our patients while still offering F2F but the HCPs, receptionists and admin are even more broken.[/quote]
Of course I know that it's not primary care making the money! I'm not sure many people are daft enough to think that! (Though one should never be surprised at the level of daftness exhibited)

However, when you have the boss of Pfizer being interviewed and saying we will all need to be jabbed regularly for the foreseeable, well, you're going at least think "Er....hang on....?"

But my main question is, why isn't there much more focus on general levels of health, quality of diet and fitness? Why were keep fit facilities - even outside ones - closed during lockdowns? Why do people expect a jab to be able to keep them healthy?

(And I have had my third jab, in case anyone wanted to call me an anti vaxxer Covid denier, both of which I've been called before 🙄)

@LemonSwan

So they think it only lasts 2 months?

I signed up to an NHS antibody test a few weeks back and am super pleased I got my test link this morning.

I would rather go down a personalised route regardless of if I have to pay private for it in the future. I have googled it around £200 for a full Roche and T cell count.

What study is this please? I’d like to sign up if I’m eligible.