Israel now rolling out 4th set of jabs

[WineGetsMeThroughIt]

Just that really. Who's looking forward to their 4th jab in a few months??

@100problems

get this. Many people have had heart issues after - a very small few heart attacks.

Come on poster, exactly how "many". Where's your source that isn't TikTok?

The recent study by Oxford University showed an estimate of between 1 and 10 extra events of myocarditis in 1 million people vaccinated with a first or second dose, but 40 extra cases in 1 million people infected with COVID-19. The study was published in the Nature Medicine journal, a few days ago:

www.zawya.com/uae/en/story/Heart_condition_risk_higher_after_COVID19_illness_than_from_vaccines_UK_study-TR20211214nL4N2SZ34DX1/

Here is the whole study

www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0

Suggest you read all of it, particularly the Discussion part.

[quote BoPeeple]@user1497207191

No, but the bigger problem is that 44% of the world hasn’t even had one jab. So we can boost all we like, but new variants will keep coming while the world is unvaccinated.[/quote]
Oh please. First, not everyone can get vaccinated so these ppl making these vaccinations should have known better! Second this is all man made and as long as we have these people around there is going to be new variants all the time and of course they will say it's all because of the unvaccinated.... what happened to 'swine flu'??? it left us without even one vaccination or lockdow or mask! and people were dying!!

[quote 100problems]@hamstersarse (you really are)

I'm all ears how you'd treat my depression. Do share your knowledge, which I assume follows many years medical training and research.

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An interesting way to ask for years of research and training on the topic, but suffice to say, if you think an SSRI is going to cure your depression, you have been hoodwinked by pharma.

what happened to 'swine flu'???

It’s still here and was included in this years flu vaccine. I’m not sure how many years it’s been included but it’s definitely made an appearance a few times over the last decade. Hth.

No testing has ever been done on people having multiple boosters, your walking into no mans land, be my guest!

I already have to have the flu vaccine too so I’m not having a 4th one, that’s too much in too small a space of time for my liking.

I said treat @hamstersarse I assume you can tell the difference? Just in case though:

Cure usually refers to a complete restoration of health, while treatment refers to a process that leads to an improvement in health, but may not include the complete elimination of disease.

But you can get heart problems after actually having covid and much more likely so how to differentiate between the two? ( vaccine and covid?)

I've not had any anyway.

@100problems

I said treat *@hamstersarse* I assume you can tell the difference? Just in case though:

Cure usually refers to a complete restoration of health, while treatment refers to a process that leads to an improvement in health, but may not include the complete elimination of disease.

Fine, you said treat.

I still maintain that if you think SSRIs improve your condition as opposed to other possible treatments, then you have been hoodwinked by big pharma.

At a basic level, it comes from the insurance industry in the US, they needed a 'cheap' treatment that can be delivered easily for those claiming treatment under their insurance. But works perfectly too for the NHS model - 10 min appointment and a prescription. Good bye.

Anyone who knows even the top level research around depression would know that SSRIs are not an effective treatment for depression.

MN is full of posters who say enough is enough, they won't be getting any more vaccines. In real life the vaccination centres are packed.

Sorry to post on the fly and away from vaccination discord but to avoid misinformation about SSRIs, the research of which I'm aware I think shows all? SSRI's are more effective than placebo and although it can take some time to find the right SSRI and some time for SSRIs to reach efficacy, SSRIs have a place in the treatment and management of depression. They do have the benefit of relatively immediate availability which I know will be a red rag to a bull for those who think they are over-prescribed or people should lump it or good-awaulity talking therapies should be immediately available but the availability is important when patients present in crisis or in difficulties. Talking therapies also have a place as does support for well-being like exercise and managing adverse self-medication with drink and drugs. If someone is aware of sound research that shows the benefit of not prescribing SSRIs when the circumstances are appropriate then I'd like to see that. I don't know much about the US health model beyond anecdote but in the UK, people can wait for a long time for talking therapies beyond screen-based CBT. CBT work for many as does the correct SSRI. There are issues with long term use and with treating adolescent MH with medication. Everything has costs and benefits. UK health research is not perfect but there are quality studies in which 'Big Pharma' has not managed the results to increase prescriptions. I'm not going to parse PPs but wanted to post as people often feel they should stop taking medication when it's not appropriate. Stopping SSRI''s should be managed rather than immediately stopping medication.

@100problems

get this. Many people have had heart issues after - a very small few heart attacks.

Come on poster, exactly how "many". Where's your source that isn't TikTok?

Its listed on the bloody info form they give you when you go to get your jabs that you could;d suffer heart issues in the side effects!

Ive had two shots but I won't be getting a third, fourth, fifth ect.

www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-vaccines-linked-to-small-heart-inflammation-risk

Its not new news that people are suffering heart issues, there are plenty of articles on line about it, there are also plenty of threads on here about heart palpitations after the jabs. I chose to still have the vaccines in spite that the risks of heart issues were relatively small but no chance am I going to keep pushing it.

And I dont have a kids app on my phone - not sure what you have seen on there...

If people want to keep having them its up to them but no more for me.

and also @100problems you cut off some of my sentence to make that sentence you posted look different in the context I had written it. If you are going to copy and paste make sure you get the whole paragraph instead of manipulating it. Shame on you.

@GreenLunchBox - are you a scientist?

Will people stop minimizing the side effects of these vaccines. They are considered unacceptable outside a pandemic situation. If you haven't suffered any great but other people have including some who have died

This is from Pfizer's own press releases
• These may not be all the possible side effects of the vaccine. Serious and unexpected
side effects may occur. The possible side effects of the vaccine are still being studied in clinical trials. Call the vaccination provider or healthcare provider about bothersome side effects or side effects that do not go away

No variant is immune from T cell protection which comes about from both natural immunity and vaccines. Some scientists think relying on antibodies is old fashioned but it's all anyone seems to talk about.

Antibodies aren’t old fashioned, they just aren’t the complete picture

The immune system has many layers that work to fight off pathogens, sneezing and mucus is also part of an immune response, antibodies too. But the bit that’s missing for me in the conversation is that antibodies should wane! They are not a permanent response, they are the ‘Emergency’ response while the threat is recent but the T cells hold the memory of the pathogen and respond should you ever come across it again.

@howdiditcometothis666

No variant is immune from T cell protection which comes about from both natural immunity and vaccines. Some scientists think relying on antibodies is old fashioned but it's all anyone seems to talk about.

I think you are oversimplifying - and yes a new variant can evade T cell response. But of course 'can' does not mean 'will'

This is a report of a paper (still in pre-print whilst being peer reviewed) which shows that why previous variant T cell immunity should still be pretty robust against omicron.

www.news-medical.net/news/20211216/T-cell-responses-remain-broadly-robust-against-Omicron-variant-of-SARS-CoV-2.aspx

It's all getting a bit much now. I'm willing to have annual jabs after my initial two and booster, but I'd want to see clear data and evidence about any need for more than that for my age group and health etc.

Personally I think we need to ensure the world is vaccinated which might help prevent new variants rather than keep vaccinating the same population in the same group of countries over and over.

No. I was delighted to have my first two jabs. Disappointed to need the booster so soon & reluctantly had it. But now just a yearly booster for me, I won’t be getting vaccinated every time a new variant pops up.

@howdiditcometothis666

No variant is immune from T cell protection which comes about from both natural immunity and vaccines. Some scientists think relying on antibodies is old fashioned but it's all anyone seems to talk about.

How do scientists measure T cells? It does seem from most reports that the role of T cells is mostly based on theories. Theories with good foundations but not measurable in any significant way to rely on and make decisions with faced with an imminent crisis.

If that’s right I can absolutely see why decisions are being made on measurable quantities of antibodies rather than relying on something that isn’t quantified. It’d be a huge gamble when we’re not really in a position to take a big loss.

@Pollymollydolly

I will continue to trust the science. If another booster is advised then I will have it.

Me too. I trust the expertise and integrity of the JCVI.

I have had only the mildest of side effects from the 3 doses of Pfizer I’ve had, so there is no argument against me having them.

If that means I get to “keep my freedom”, that’s a bonus. It’s not why I’m doing it.

@motheroflions you're right. I missed of the whole I from the quote. It made absolutely all the difference.

Shame on me? ODFO you overdramatic silly billy.

I’ve had 3 jabs plus covid twice (once pre vaccines, once after third jab), I’m giving up now .