Israel now rolling out 4th set of jabs

[WineGetsMeThroughIt]

Just that really. Who's looking forward to their 4th jab in a few months??

Regularly vaccinating the whole country more or less means we’re going to need purpose built dedicated vaccination hubs to remove the pressure from GPs. The cost of this is going to be immense.

This is what I wondered. Also a lot of people helping administr vaccines are volunteers. They won't be available free forever.

I'm still wondering about all the people who work in labs doing pcr test results. What was their "normal" pre covid job and what has happened to it?

I will continue to trust the science. If another booster is advised then I will have it.

Agree. The booster wasn't pleasant but Covid was horrible, i've never felt so ill. The scientists are doing their best, history may look back on this and criticise what we as a society have done, but I truly believe that the scientists have saved many lives.

@Genderwitched

I will continue to trust the science. If another booster is advised then I will have it.

Agree. The booster wasn't pleasant but Covid was horrible, i've never felt so ill. The scientists are doing their best, history may look back on this and criticise what we as a society have done, but I truly believe that the scientists have saved many lives.

The science doesn't know what multiple vaccines in such a short space of time will do.

Two - absolutely fine
Three - hmmm
four - no chance

@100problems

@motheroflions you're right. I missed of the whole I from the quote. It made absolutely all the difference.

Shame on me? ODFO you overdramatic silly billy.

Yes it did @100problems

I was quoting a post - so replying 'I get this - some people have had heart issues, a very small few heart attacks'. Along with me saying I had had both vaccines.

You posted

*get this. some people have had heart issues, a very small few heart attacks'.

You purposely missed out the other part of my post and changed the context of it.

Do you do this a lot?

@Exhausteddog

Regularly vaccinating the whole country more or less means we’re going to need purpose built dedicated vaccination hubs to remove the pressure from GPs. The cost of this is going to be immense.

This is what I wondered. Also a lot of people helping administr vaccines are volunteers. They won't be available free forever.

I'm still wondering about all the people who work in labs doing pcr test results. What was their "normal" pre covid job and what has happened to it?

Some of my colleagues (mostly lab technicians and research assistants) volunteered to work running covid tests for a while, but that was at the start of the pandemic.

You've got me curious about this now too. I guess PHE/now UKHSA hired additional contract workers. PCR is pretty straightforward (just a series of liquid transfers and then you bung everything into a machine, plus I imagine PHE rely heavily on automated workstations, which will mean a much higher sample throughput) - pretty much anyone could be trained to do it.

@Almostwelsh

Hmm. It's all very well for those who only get a sore arm saying it only takes 5 minutes.

A not insignificant number of people get really bad side effects requiring days in bed to recover. If you are one of those people and you don't feel you are especially vulnerable to the virus or live with someone who is, the cost/benefit isn't clear to you as an individual so plenty of those people won't want to get multiple boosters.

Indeed.

While there aren't guarentees with Covid, the with my age, BMI and general health, the odds are swayed towards "a cold" rather than seriously ill. Saying that, I had 5 days mostly in bed feeling hideous with Campylobacter about 5 years ago and a couple more weeks to really feel right again.

AZ1 made all the energy drain out of me while on a short gentle walk- close to fainting. I had to get home bench by bench every 100m. I then felt wiped out and achey in bed for the rest of the day and a couple of days to be right again. Plus my menstrual cycle was knocked off kilter which came close to costing me my smear test.

AZ2 was fine. Just a normal level of vaccination dead-arm.

The Moderna booster while better than AZ1, also triggered low energy, body aches to a not-doing-anything non-essential level, 3 days of dead arm and again has messed around with my menstrual cycle.

I was not initially enthused about the booster, but in a changing situation changed my mind and decided to have it promptly before the floodgates opened to all 18+. I became eligible under the age/ time criteria the week it changed anyway.

In a mass-vaccination system, there's the luck of the draw as to which vaccine is in stock rather than looking at personal need.

The system is also costing routine primary healthcare in staffing. Worth it for 2021, but indefinitely? Healthcare is already chronically short of staff and potentially getting worse if staff leave due to the proposed vaccine mandates.

I've no issue with targeting routine boosters where there is maximum clinical benefit in the way the flu vaccine is. But I'm not convinced about the long term case for the younger, healthy population. For many younger people the benefits are mire political than health based (contact isolations, travel).

More news from the WHO today - I can't find the post in this thread at the moment, but someone did say we should be focusing booster vaccines to other countries who have still to get the majority vaccinated....

Blanket booster programmes are 'likely to prolong the pandemic', says WHO

The World Health Organisation's director-general has a warning for developed countries, such as the UK, that are rolling out extensive booster programmes.

He says blanket booster programmes will "exacerbate vaccine inequity" and are "likely to prolong the pandemic rather than ending it by diverting it to countries that already have high vaccination coverage".

Dr Adhanom Ghebreyesus says it is "frankly difficult to understand" how three in four health workers in Africa remain unvaccinated more than a year since the first vaccines were administered.

Only half of WHO member states have been able to reach the target of vaccinating 40% of their populations.
If vaccines had been distributed equitably, he says, the 40% target could have been reached in every country by September.

He adds that WHO predictions show vaccine supply should be sufficient to cover the entire global population and give boosters to those most at-risk by the first quarter of 2022.

However, there will only be enough vaccines for extensive use of boosters in all adults later on in 2022.

The WHO director-general adds: "No country can boost its way out of the pandemic and boosters cannot be seen as a ticket to go ahead with the planned celebrations without the need for other precautions."

Soured (cuz someone is always wanting that) news.sky.com/story/covid-news-live-boris-johnson-urges-caution-over-christmas-but-is-yet-to-announce-restrictions-as-treasury-reveals-it-will-say-more-on-financial-support-later-12469075?postid=3141595#liveblog-body

[quote WineGetsMeThroughIt]More news from the WHO today - I can't find the post in this thread at the moment, but someone did say we should be focusing booster vaccines to other countries who have still to get the majority vaccinated....

Blanket booster programmes are 'likely to prolong the pandemic', says WHO

The World Health Organisation's director-general has a warning for developed countries, such as the UK, that are rolling out extensive booster programmes.

He says blanket booster programmes will "exacerbate vaccine inequity" and are "likely to prolong the pandemic rather than ending it by diverting it to countries that already have high vaccination coverage".

Dr Adhanom Ghebreyesus says it is "frankly difficult to understand" how three in four health workers in Africa remain unvaccinated more than a year since the first vaccines were administered.

Only half of WHO member states have been able to reach the target of vaccinating 40% of their populations.
If vaccines had been distributed equitably, he says, the 40% target could have been reached in every country by September.

He adds that WHO predictions show vaccine supply should be sufficient to cover the entire global population and give boosters to those most at-risk by the first quarter of 2022.

However, there will only be enough vaccines for extensive use of boosters in all adults later on in 2022.

The WHO director-general adds: "No country can boost its way out of the pandemic and boosters cannot be seen as a ticket to go ahead with the planned celebrations without the need for other precautions."

Soured (cuz someone is always wanting that) news.sky.com/story/covid-news-live-boris-johnson-urges-caution-over-christmas-but-is-yet-to-announce-restrictions-as-treasury-reveals-it-will-say-more-on-financial-support-later-12469075?postid=3141595#liveblog-body[/quote]
Should have said 'source...'

I haven't had my third yet. Don't plan to for a few weeks as I only had my second at the end of September.

I don’t mind having a 4th jab. If it’s needed, fine.

I do get side effects each time but only for a day

It is forced vaccination tho for some jobs

Dr Adhanom Ghebreyesus is right, especially when you can buy fake covid vaccination certificates in some countries to travel. A friends wife was offered one of her GP in Asia for £12. She had to get two flights back to the U.K. How many unvaccinated people are actually travelling the world with covid right now.

I think your response is obviously going to be different if you had little to no side effects, but I don’t relish the prospects of 6 monthly jags. My second AZ messed up my period and hormones in general so much that it took 4 months to settle. I’m hoping my booster will be different as it won’t be AZ. But honestly the thought of going through that physical and emotional difficulty for months, then getting a couple of months’ reprieve only to go through it all again…the vaccine effects was far stronger for me than actual Covid was.

[quote WineGetsMeThroughIt]More news from the WHO today - I can't find the post in this thread at the moment, but someone did say we should be focusing booster vaccines to other countries who have still to get the majority vaccinated....

Blanket booster programmes are 'likely to prolong the pandemic', says WHO

The World Health Organisation's director-general has a warning for developed countries, such as the UK, that are rolling out extensive booster programmes.

He says blanket booster programmes will "exacerbate vaccine inequity" and are "likely to prolong the pandemic rather than ending it by diverting it to countries that already have high vaccination coverage".

Dr Adhanom Ghebreyesus says it is "frankly difficult to understand" how three in four health workers in Africa remain unvaccinated more than a year since the first vaccines were administered.

Only half of WHO member states have been able to reach the target of vaccinating 40% of their populations.
If vaccines had been distributed equitably, he says, the 40% target could have been reached in every country by September.

He adds that WHO predictions show vaccine supply should be sufficient to cover the entire global population and give boosters to those most at-risk by the first quarter of 2022.

However, there will only be enough vaccines for extensive use of boosters in all adults later on in 2022.

The WHO director-general adds: "No country can boost its way out of the pandemic and boosters cannot be seen as a ticket to go ahead with the planned celebrations without the need for other precautions."

Soured (cuz someone is always wanting that) news.sky.com/story/covid-news-live-boris-johnson-urges-caution-over-christmas-but-is-yet-to-announce-restrictions-as-treasury-reveals-it-will-say-more-on-financial-support-later-12469075?postid=3141595#liveblog-body[/quote]
Thank you for sharing this. Everyone seems to be ignoring this issue, but it’s vitally important for the long game of ending the pandemic. What we are doing in the UK is not just ethically wrong, it’s short-sighted.

This makes me so angry. The WHO has said rich countries cannot booster our way out of this pandemic while leaving hundreds of millions of people in poorer countries completely unvaccinated. It's immoral and dangerous for everyone.

On a less altruistic stance, the jabs suck. I've been 'in bed' level of ill 3 times this year - after jab 1, after jab 2 and after the booster. Before that I hadn't been properly ill for 8 years. I work with kids and I have kids so I'm pretty confident I have a good immune system. I get that the jabs are to protect others and to protect the NHS. But intentionally making yourself horribly I'll at regular intervals when you're a very healthy person is not fun! I don't want to do it again. I will because my husband's a surgeon and he'd probably divorce me if I didn't. But aaarghh.

@HibiscusIsland I am getting on with it ta. Whilst happily letting my immune system do its job😀

I think we need to vaccinate the world before we get our 4th/5th/6th vaccines.

@LizzieSiddal I think that’s a very good point. The pandemic is a global issue, yet if we don’t vaccinate fairly - and globally - new mutations will continue to arise in the countries with poor access to vaccines.

I think the virus is thriving on individualism.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/20/global-covid-vaccination-failure-will-harm-britain-gordon-brown-warns

Gordon Brown would have been an excellent PM, pity he was only there for a short time.

Our best weapon against Covid is collectivism.

If omicron is mild what’s all this fuss about. 4th jab already. No thanks. Just had my booster. I’m not having another until at least 12 months. Once a year they said and I’ve had 3 in 9 months. Pls work out the science and be sure about what is needed and by when. They say Omicron is not as bad as delta so why are they discussing having a 4th jab so soon, it is meant 4th jab in a years time. That sounds better.

LizzieSiddal- most definitely. Wealthy countries being greedy. They should put a ban on countries buying more vaccine until it’s distributed fairly across the world

@HalfShrunkMoreToGo

I'm fine with as many boosters as necessary. Would much rather have a booster every 6 months and wear a facemask then perpetually face lockdowns, isolations and school/work disruptions.

But we're having to face that anyway. I know you might not be in England but we're back in level 2 in Wales in a few days

I'm early/mid 20s and not ideologically opposed to getting the jabs, but all three of them have made me feel absolutely terrible, the third one in particular, and I'm not sure I'd be happy to be having those side effects every few months indefinitely.

@Exhausteddog

Regularly vaccinating the whole country more or less means we’re going to need purpose built dedicated vaccination hubs to remove the pressure from GPs. The cost of this is going to be immense.

This is what I wondered. Also a lot of people helping administr vaccines are volunteers. They won't be available free forever.

I'm still wondering about all the people who work in labs doing pcr test results. What was their "normal" pre covid job and what has happened to it?

A lot of the staff are recent graduates who did science degrees. A lot of them are doing it as a stop gap to other jobs or PhD positions and some are doing it as a lab job which could employ them for the next few years before moving to similar types of jobs in industry.