Govt plans re unvaccinated feels like a change is afoot

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Anyone noticed the govt and news sources seem to be covering more and more stories regarding the unvaccinated (by choice)
I feel they might be ramping up support for restrictions for unvaccinated people.
It's feel very much like propaganda and warm up the masses.
Anyone agree or noticed this in the last 3/4 days?

@LynxGiftsetAndSocks

In my experience (working with the general public all the way through this shitshow) is if people are unvaccinated they tend to also not wear a mask

Just from what I've observed.

Are you saying that you have access to medical records of general public you come into contact during you working hours???

I vote for vaccine passports, and if you don't have one, you can't get in anywhere, travel anywhere, or get any treatment for covid related illnesses (unless exempt of course).

Suicide rates will increase if this is brought in. Many unvaccinated people are in a vulnerable category. Vaccination rates are lower among the very poor, and among those suffering mental illness. People who are already on the margins, and whose lives are often very challenging as it is.
I realise not all unvaccinated people fall into these categories, by any means. But, many people in these categories (who have good historical reasons to distrust authority) are unvaccinated.
The profile of reckless selfish entitled people referred to so much on here, isn't one I recognise in the real world. There are a group of homeless/vulnerably housed people I see, and chat with, on the seafront near me. Few, if any, have been vaccinated. They're ground down by life, and this would finish them off

It’s a complex issue and I wonder re enforcement and also backlash

I’m sorry but I think it’s the only way forward as it is on other countries.

Of course there will always be absolute legitimate exceptions but the rest of the World is following this approach. Of course it would be better if people were encouraged to get vaccinated of their own accord, but if not then I’m in favour of restrictions and vaccine passports.

Of course I have sympathy for needle phobic people but this has been on the cards now for a while and is building monthly. Realistically it seems head in the sand stuff to think it’s going to go away when other countries are way ahead of us in terms of passes, restrictions etc.

Hopefully nasal type solutions will be available in the not too distant future as well.

@LondonWolf

And by the way this is what cancel culture and social media mobs and shaming ultimately results in. I’ve seen multiple assertions on here over the years that if you don’t do/say anything unacceptable then you don’t need to worry about social media mobs etc, well now we can see that such handling of “socially unacceptable” behaviour will be used for all “transgressions” and one day it will be your turn.

Exactly, it’s only a matter of time before the people who are abusing the unvaccinated end up doing something that will be frowned upon by other sections of society.

Vaccine passports will disproportionately impact people of colour. In some of the most diverse London boroughs, vaccination rates are not much over 40%. Will the government do an equalities impact assessment on vaccine passports? I doubt it.

@PrincessNutella

In NYC you can't order at Starbucks without showing your vaccine record and ID, and most likely giving your phone number for contact tracing. You can't go to a restaurant, or a movie, a play, a museum, a doctor's appointment, anything, without it.

So they still want contact information after seeing vax ID?

There must be a lot of annoying spam linked up to that?

@userperuser

And all for a virus that for the overwhelming majority is mild.

When you look at the stats, since Covid arrived, deaths and people seriously ill in hospital is staggering, not to mention long Covid.

I can’t see them ever making vaccines mandatory in the UK or charging for NHS treatment but I think they will make it awkwardly hard for those non-vacc’ed.

To those citing obesity, alcohol, smoking etc. Agree, but none are contagious and affect other people.

I Northern Ireland it’s a app on your phone to get into large events, hospitably cinemas etc. it’s pretty straightforward

@Rocaille

Vaccine passports will disproportionately impact people of colour. In some of the most diverse London boroughs, vaccination rates are not much over 40%. Will the government do an equalities impact assessment on vaccine passports? I doubt it.

I am a poc. Covid deaths also disproportionately affect poc. Time we did our part and stopped going on about past injustices. We are dying now.

@Thewiseoneincognito

Being unvaccinated will soon be akin to being a smoker. Slowly banned and outlawed from general society and deemed socially unacceptable, it’s one of the reasons I was vaccinated.

I think one of the first steps will be allowing employers the right to not pay them when they have to isolate. Another will be making any travel by airplane impossible without vaccination, even if we don’t impose it the majority of the world will do.

I figured another way will be mandates around their behaviour such as increased fines for the unvaccinated when not wearing a face mask when mandates are in place.

It will be incremental changes at first to influence a change of heart and make the ostracism palatable to the public.

So how long do you think this will go on then??? A year? 5 years? Decade???

@Rocaille

Vaccine passports will disproportionately impact people of colour. In some of the most diverse London boroughs, vaccination rates are not much over 40%. Will the government do an equalities impact assessment on vaccine passports? I doubt it.

Oh the Government know. Liberty sued the Government for lockdown impact assessments to show whether they had a disproportionate effect on certain groups. The government tried to argue against disclosure as it was not in the "public interest" and lost. They still have not released them.

www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk/issue/government-told-to-release-covid-documents-after-liberty-transparency-battle/

@AdmiralCain

I'm severely Pro choice (With a hint of anti vax) You get one jab - you still catch and pass on Covid You get jab two - you still catch and pass on Covid You get jab three - you still catch and pass on Covid The product is faulty - Lets blame the people who aren't jabbed.

Are you seriously still that lacking in understanding after all this time?

The Vaccinations are not 100% effective.

They will however lower the chance of you catching it should you be exposed.

In the event you DO catch it they will prevent you from getting so sick you end up in hospital and die.. and to prevent the strain on the NHS.

People who are fully vaccinated will most likely only experience a mild illness that they will recover from quickly, with no need for hospital treatment.

It will also lower your viral load should you catch it, which lowers the chance of you spreading it before you realise you're sick with it.

Just speaking purely selfishly, I love the theatre. Went for 4 plays in Oct and Nov + a comedy gig. Was told I would be asked for a vax cert or LFT result. Nobody asked. Nobody was masked. Why can't we at least enforce vaccine passes for theatre, dance, music gigs, and entirely optional events? I would like to go see the Nutcracker in the London Colosseum but fear nobody will be asking for any kind of vax proof or LFT tests there either.

This may be a small thing, but as someone with no family in the UK and no Xmas meetups the theatre was keeping me sane until now.

@Ontheblink

And then there are the people who have had a bad reaction or experience with the first two vaccines- being completely ignored and just continually told to go get the bloody booster. Sorry, zero confidence in the booster after my terrible experience with the first jabs. Yes they can shove their booster as far as I am concerned.

This is overlooked time and time again. I suddenly developed an automated immune condition after shot 2, lots of people seem to be similarly suffering, high blood pressure seems another long term effect. But IME doctors are refusing to take note because it’s not already a noted side effect.

Stuck between a rock and a hard place. Reactions to the vaccines are anecdotally far more widespread than is published but because it’s not replicable in scientific study it apparently doesn’t exist. Looking back on other studies (pre covid) about vaccinations it seems the best you’ll get is there is a temper oral proximity.

In the end I had the booster because I knew before long I would need it. But I hate all the witch hunters who can’t actually see over the heads of the baying mobs

Suicide rates will increase if this is brought in

Is there evidence for this? Is this the experience of other countries?

What a shit, dystopian life many of you are embracing with open arms.
After reading the thread on heart palpitations and myocarditis, let's hope its not one of you that suffer next so that your precious pass gets invalidated when you decline the next booster.

Glad I mostly just like hillwalking. Just as happy not to mix with the type of person supporting this as I'm sure you are not to mix with me.

Let's also hope that the next mandate isn't something you can't or don't wish to comply with. Precendent will be set then.
Hell mend the lot of you.

I think we’re getting very close to the point where we deny treatment to the unvaccinated.
And before folks start saying - what about smokers, drinkers, fat people etc well actually, people in those groups are denied treatment all the time eg if you need an elective surgery you might be told no until you’ve lost weight/stopped smoking. And you won’t be offered a transplant if you’re still drinking.

@Pensieve

I can’t see them ever making vaccines mandatory in the UK or charging for NHS treatment but I think they will make it awkwardly hard for those non-vacc’ed.

To those citing obesity, alcohol, smoking etc. Agree, but none are contagious and affect other people.

But obesity etc dies affect other people due to the strain on the health service - the exact argument being made about unvaccinated people. The data is rigged in that only the unvaccinated are being tested for covid in hospital. The countries with the worst restrictions and most draconian policies towards the unvaccinated seem to be suffering the worst from covid. So not only is it a morally indefensible policy it doesn't bloody work!

@Claudethecat

Suicide rates will increase if this is brought in

Is there evidence for this? Is this the experience of other countries?

We might as well argue that suicide rates will increase if there is another lockdown or school closure or people can't get NHS treatment. Are French people killing themselves in droves?

@AdmiralCain

I'm severely Pro choice (With a hint of anti vax) You get one jab - you still catch and pass on Covid You get jab two - you still catch and pass on Covid You get jab three - you still catch and pass on Covid The product is faulty - Lets blame the people who aren't jabbed.

Is it not because the vast majority who are in hospital are unvaccinated?

@MaxNormal

What a shit, dystopian life many of you are embracing with open arms. After reading the thread on heart palpitations and myocarditis, let's hope its not one of you that suffer next so that your precious pass gets invalidated when you decline the next booster.

Glad I mostly just like hillwalking. Just as happy not to mix with the type of person supporting this as I'm sure you are not to mix with me.

Let's also hope that the next mandate isn't something you can't or don't wish to comply with. Precendent will be set then.
Hell mend the lot of you.

It's quite chilling. Especially the person who said she would vote for unvaccinated people to not 'get in anywhere'.

I can see now how easy it is for totalitarian societies to take hold. People in those societies also sincerely believed they were 'working for the greater good'.

@HelloMissus

I think we’re getting very close to the point where we deny treatment to the unvaccinated. And before folks start saying - what about smokers, drinkers, fat people etc well actually, people in those groups are denied treatment all the time eg if you need an elective surgery you might be told no until you’ve lost weight/stopped smoking. And you won’t be offered a transplant if you’re still drinking.

So the unvaccinated can stop paying into the NHS then and save the money to go private.