Govt plans re unvaccinated feels like a change is afoot

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Anyone noticed the govt and news sources seem to be covering more and more stories regarding the unvaccinated (by choice)
I feel they might be ramping up support for restrictions for unvaccinated people.
It's feel very much like propaganda and warm up the masses.
Anyone agree or noticed this in the last 3/4 days?

[quote DoleWhipFloat]@XenoBitch

As a fully vaxxed person, I will stand up for your rights to bodily autonomy. I will protest; leave my job; forfeit vacations to maintain our Human Rights.

Not just for you though, but because if you lose yours, eventually we all will in one way or another.[/quote]
Well said. I'm with you on that and I honestly think most of us are sick of the demonisation tactics...despite what the loud mouthed spiteful bastards would have you think ❤️

@MarshaBradyo I don't think there will be popular support for a mandatory vaccine, do you? It is not the British way. I haven't looked at the polls but I would be surprised if they were accurate.

I suspect the poster suggesting restraining the needle phobic is also stoking fires for fun. Quite ridiculous and unnecessary.

Flowerlane
It would be better to make everyone take lft to attend events etc vaccinated or not.
Too easy to fake test results for this to be much use.

I think it would be better if you have to get there early, go into a dedicated test area where people watch you doing them and as soon as you get the result, you are let in and have to dispose of the test in front of someone.

I agree it is totally pointless to say 'you have to have tested' or 'show us a photo of your test', there were whole groups of people that were quite blatant in that the whole group used the same negative test to get into Wembley for the football, and the same to get into Boardmasters. Both of which became super spreader events because people will always find a loophole

I don’t think polls like YouGov are accurate btw

When Good Morning Britain did a twitter poll on mandatory vaccines, 89% of respondents were opposed.

@XenoBitch You’re not alone 🤗 sit tight for now, let’s see 🙏

Wonder why the demographic of GMB differs so much from the majority?

Anyway regardless of what unqualified members of the public think, the actual experts are who we should be listening to.

Most of the rest of the world have taken heed to various extent.

Sadly British exceptionalism. My goodness what a high price we've paid for that.

One of the worse death rates and numbers of dead in the world, a significant minority disabled with Long Covid...and a shitter economy, with less normality than the countries that actually followed scientific advice, and took sensible infection control measures. Shame, shame, shame.

Here we go again. And 'round the world doors sensibly slam shut to travellers from red risk country UK.

@beingsunny Why has it changed now? What are the current rules there?

Tbh, the most eloquent and well articulated posts usually come from people who are very much against bringing in vaccine mandates.

applauding @Beachcomber

I m fully vaccinated and totally against mandating the vaccines.
And that was even before I had really bad reaction to my second jab. I m absolutely dreading the booster should it be mandated.

[quote CaliforniaDrumming]@MarshaBradyo I don't think there will be popular support for a mandatory vaccine, do you? It is not the British way. I haven't looked at the polls but I would be surprised if they were accurate.

I suspect the poster suggesting restraining the needle phobic is also stoking fires for fun. Quite ridiculous and unnecessary.[/quote]
No I don’t think so either

Someone being cruel to anyone who is needle phobic are like awful people who goad anyone with a phobia, really nasty behaviour.

Ah I see. So the GMB poll asked whether vaccines should be mandatory. Right. So it wasn't asking about vaccine passes. That explains the discrepancy.

I bet the majority would prefer simple vaccine passes than prolonged and/or repeated lockdowns. Also bet they'd take the passes rather than delayed or cancelled hospital care.

Interesting story in the news.

Cruise ship. Thousands of fully vaccinated passengers. All took LFT before boarding.

48 come down with covid during the cruise.

amp.cnn.com/cnn/videos/business/2021/12/20/symphony-of-the-seas-cruise-covid-outbreak-wall-street-hln-vpx.hln

And that’s what would happen if you mandated vaccines or excluded the unvaccinated. So what is the point?

[quote nojudgementhere]@XenoBitch - I'm a bit scared too but I really can't see they would ever actually mandate it over here as there would be an absolute outcry. Worst case scenario is extending vaccine passports but I can't even see that lasting long, as once the rates drop and it becomes manageable then I doubt people are going to be too over-enthusiastic about continuous boosters.

If it really did come to that then I would be looking to go off-grid/move anywhere I could overseas until things settled down again. There will always be options out there so please don't give up hope, you are not alone. Xx[/quote]
I would love to go off grid too, if it all came to it.

@Tealightsandd

Vaccine passports don’t work and will never work

For years France has been one of the most vaccine refusing countries in the world. Covid vaccine bookings shot up after Macron introduced vaccine passes.

For even better results, look East. East Asia, and some of the Arab countries.

The vaccinated can catch and spread covid.

Yes but not as much as the unvaccinated. It's about reducing risks. Just as seat belts don't prevent every RTA death or serious injury but they do reduce them.

I live in France.

Sanitary passes increased vaccination levels (to about 88%). Very true.

But daily covid cases are currently at a peak.

graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/france/

To be clear. Vaccine passes are NOT the same thing as mandatory vaccines.

And also there are exemptions for the small minority genuinely unable to have a vaccine (for medical reasons including the very severe needle phobic like Xeno).

@Pipesofpeas it was part of the plan to ease restrictions gradually, so they gave freedoms to fully vaxxed people first, then I vaxxed were the last to be allowed out so to speak.

All a complete waste of time really as they have now dropped all restrictions and it's spreading like wildfire, they cancelled masks except for on public transport, and no more checking in, no limits on numbers, reduced isolation to 7 days.

Given NSW has 95% vax rate there isn't much left to do but wait to catch it. We will all get it at sometime.

They have really stepped back after the last two years of zero covid, which I do agree with as it's been brutal in many ways. I haven't seen my family for 3 years now.

I was heartened to see that they announced border closures are no longer an effective tool due to how widespread omicron is globally and within Australia already so at least I don't need to worry too much about my trip being cancelled in March. Though I am more concerned that I won't be able to travel without a negative test than actually getting sick.

GMB polls…included one they deleted.

Yes but France's peak is lower than the UK's. It all helps.

And like I've said, for the best examples of good pandemic infection control look East. Some of the Arab countries, and Wast Asia.

@Tealightsandd

Yes but France's peak is lower than the UK's. It all helps.

And like I've said, for the best examples of good pandemic infection control look East. Some of the Arab countries, and Wast Asia.

No thank you!

Anyway regardless of what unqualified members of the public think, the actual experts are who we should be listening to.

Experts are useful for determining technical questions. Mandatory vaccination is an ethical issue and involves questions about the fundamentals of our society, therefore it falls outside the remit of experts. Members of the public are absolutely qualified to express their views on this topic, and have them listened to. This is what it means to be a democracy.

Re the GMB "Should we lockdown before Christmas" poll.

Whose judgement to go for... The unqualified viewership of GMB? Or the world's leading experts including the head of the World Health Organisation...?

Wonder who to turn to in a RTA or any other medical emergency. The viewers of GMB, or a medical doctor?

@XenoBitch - Yeah, I'd love to get some land somewhere remote with other like-minded people who just want to live a laid-back, simple life. If I ever do then you're invited!

@Tealightsandd

Re the GMB "Should we lockdown before Christmas" poll.

Whose judgement to go for... The unqualified viewership of GMB? Or the world's leading experts including the head of the World Health Organisation...?

Why do people reference YouGov so much on here?

That must be the same unqualified view…

But also, why put more weight on the results of an on-the-spot phone-in GMB poll, than a well researched yougov poll?

[quote beingsunny]@Pipesofpeas it was part of the plan to ease restrictions gradually, so they gave freedoms to fully vaxxed people first, then I vaxxed were the last to be allowed out so to speak.

All a complete waste of time really as they have now dropped all restrictions and it's spreading like wildfire, they cancelled masks except for on public transport, and no more checking in, no limits on numbers, reduced isolation to 7 days.

Given NSW has 95% vax rate there isn't much left to do but wait to catch it. We will all get it at sometime.

They have really stepped back after the last two years of zero covid, which I do agree with as it's been brutal in many ways. I haven't seen my family for 3 years now.

I was heartened to see that they announced border closures are no longer an effective tool due to how widespread omicron is globally and within Australia already so at least I don't need to worry too much about my trip being cancelled in March. Though I am more concerned that I won't be able to travel without a negative test than actually getting sick.

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How is healthcare doing in Aus?