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Govt plans re unvaccinated feels like a change is afoot

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whenwillthemadnessend · 21/12/2021 11:51

Anyone noticed the govt and news sources seem to be covering more and more stories regarding the unvaccinated (by choice)
I feel they might be ramping up support for restrictions for unvaccinated people.
It's feel very much like propaganda and warm up the masses.
Anyone agree or noticed this in the last 3/4 days?

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Rocaille · 21/12/2021 21:41

Great post, @Beachcomber. You've expressed so many of the things that have been preying on my mind too.

XenoBitch · 21/12/2021 21:41

[quote Pipesofpeas]@DoleWhipFloat Completely being used as a means of coercion, it’s frightening how much it’s influencing some people’s hatred towards the unvaccinated, it makes no sense that they’re suddenly to blame for everything.
Why is there no discussions about natural immunity and it’s effectiveness?

@XenoBitch Affairs in order in what respect?[/quote]
I am so scared that some sort of vaccine mandate will be a thing. I can't deal with it anymore.

bumbleymummy · 21/12/2021 21:43

@Tealightsandd

Vaccine passports don’t work and will never work

For years France has been one of the most vaccine refusing countries in the world. Covid vaccine bookings shot up after Macron introduced vaccine passes.

For even better results, look East. East Asia, and some of the Arab countries.

The vaccinated can catch and spread covid.

Yes but not as much as the unvaccinated. It's about reducing risks. Just as seat belts don't prevent every RTA death or serious injury but they do reduce them.

You are saying that they ‘worked’ in the sense of encouraging uptake in a country with high vaccine hesitancy. They have certainly not ‘worked’ in preventing spread, hospitalisations and further lockdowns. We’ve had really high vaccine uptake - particularly in the groups most likely to end up in hospital. At the moment over 80% of the groups that made up over 70% of the hospitalisations last year have been triple vaccinated. Trying to force/coerce large numbers of low risk young people to have a vaccine that they don’t want is going to have little to no impact on hospital numbers.
nojudgementhere · 21/12/2021 21:43

@Yellowshirt

I am not an anti vaxxer but I have chosen not to have the vaccine at the moment. My abusive EX wife can explain the reason I'm not getting it. I'm not a monster or selfish. I've just been to hell and back.
That is fair enough - your body, your choice. Hope that things get better for you now & that you're feeling OK.
userperuser · 21/12/2021 21:44

XenoBitch

I understand completely how you feel you’re not alone, get as much support as you can.

nonamehere · 21/12/2021 21:45

I don't understand how restrictions on unvaccinated people could be enforced. So far I've had to show my pass 3 times at gigs etc - each time there weren't enough staff to verify my identity compared with the pass - it could have been a screenshot of anyone's. I can't imagine Tesco would be able to check properly. And a negative LFT instead? Just because a LFT is registered as negative in someone's name doesn't mean it was taken by that person, or indeed by anyone.

CaliforniaDrumming · 21/12/2021 21:45

There isn't going to be any vaccine mandate. There may be some kind of a pass for entirely optional venues and entertainment. Not Tesco's or Nando's. Things that you pre-book. This is, after all, a Tory populist government.

Tealightsandd · 21/12/2021 21:46

Two years on, and still going for the denial, downplay... let's ignore the world's leading scientific and medical experts...and yet again act too late approach frozentoes?

Talk about déjà vu. Lessons not having been learned.

What a shame.

Hazelnutbean · 21/12/2021 21:46

@Flowerlane

It would be better to make everyone take lft to attend events etc vaccinated or not.
Too easy to fake test results for this to be much use.
BlaBlaSmthSmth · 21/12/2021 21:47

"I think we’re getting very close to the point where we deny treatment to the unvaccinated."

You sound absolutely vile @HelloMissus no one in the real world will support that so dream on.

MarshaBradyo · 21/12/2021 21:47

@CaliforniaDrumming

There isn't going to be any vaccine mandate. There may be some kind of a pass for entirely optional venues and entertainment. Not Tesco's or Nando's. Things that you pre-book. This is, after all, a Tory populist government.
When you say this do you mean not having a mandate is the more popular opinion?

So when people say polls want them it’s not the case

I don’t think polls like YouGov are accurate btw

Hazelnutbean · 21/12/2021 21:47

@Elvinelf

You can still pass it on if you’re vaccinated! You can also still catch it if vaccinated. Are these new rules helping keep cases down in other European countries? Would be interesting to know. More likely is that everyone should take an LFT before an event vaccinated or not…but how do you prove it?
Perhaps, but you're not less likely to be in an NHS bed fighting Covid if unvaccinated. That's the crunch point.
DoleWhipFloat · 21/12/2021 21:47

@XenoBitch

As a fully vaxxed person, I will stand up for your rights to bodily autonomy. I will protest; leave my job; forfeit vacations to maintain our Human Rights.

Not just for you though, but because if you lose yours, eventually we all will in one way or another.

Tealightsandd · 21/12/2021 21:48

Tory populist government

More concerned with popularity on their own back benches than with the public, it seems. For example, various polls from several different sources show that the majority of the public support a circuit breaker. It's the Tory backbenchers who don't. So much for populist.

Tealightsandd · 21/12/2021 21:50

It's not just yougov.

DoleWhipFloat · 21/12/2021 21:51

@Tealightsandd

Tory populist government

More concerned with popularity on their own back benches than with the public, it seems. For example, various polls from several different sources show that the majority of the public support a circuit breaker. It's the Tory backbenchers who don't. So much for populist.

GMB did a poll of over 140,000 people. Over 80% did not support a lockdown.

I think you would be surprised by how many people, including us vaxxed, nice compliant people, would stop complying if we feel the actions of our government are unjust.

beingsunny · 21/12/2021 21:51

We had this in australia, unvaccinated only allowed to use essential services. Anything else was restricted to vaccinated only persons until last Thursday.

MarshaBradyo · 21/12/2021 21:51

Populist refers to ‘the people’

That’s generally how it’s used

Populism refers to a range of political stances that emphasize the idea of "the people" and often juxtapose this group against "the elite". ... Populist parties and social movements are often led by charismatic or dominant figures who present themselves as "the voice of the people".

DoleWhipFloat · 21/12/2021 21:53

Plus, if you exclude the unvaccinated from society, who do you blame when covid continues to spread and old and vulnerable people continue to die?

MistressoftheDarkSide · 21/12/2021 21:53

@DoleWhipFloat - you give me hope for humanity.

@XenoBitch and all others worrying about this, like me, sending hugs.

For what it's worth I think pure logistics and backlash in the real world will make any of this unworkable.

nojudgementhere · 21/12/2021 21:53

@XenoBitch - I'm a bit scared too but I really can't see they would ever actually mandate it over here as there would be an absolute outcry. Worst case scenario is extending vaccine passports but I can't even see that lasting long, as once the rates drop and it becomes manageable then I doubt people are going to be too over-enthusiastic about continuous boosters.

If it really did come to that then I would be looking to go off-grid/move anywhere I could overseas until things settled down again. There will always be options out there so please don't give up hope, you are not alone. Xx

Beachcomber · 21/12/2021 21:56

@Dollymantra

Lots of members of public ringing into radio shows today and commentary on TV in range of newspapers. So I do think the tide is turning re: restrictions for the unvaxxed.

People are sick of Covid and see the unvaxxed as they barrier to getting back to normal.

People are sick of Covid and see the unvaxxed as they barrier to getting back to normal.

This sentence is it. This is the zeitgeist that has people clamoring for authoritarianism.

"The unvaxxed" are the barrier. They are the one and only thing standing standing in the way of getting our lives back. Getting our freedom back. Ending the fear. And in order to dismantle that barrier we need the scientists and the politicians to tell us what to do. And we will do it unquestioningly.

From the UK you may think that I'm exaggerating but it is happening here in France and the mood is ripe for it to happen in the UK too.

And yes to what @XenoBitch says about deshumanisation.

This constant repetition of "the unvaccinated" is whipping up hatred, division and hysteria.

There is no "the unvaccinated". There are only individual unvaccinated people .

Think about your language people. It is the language of authoritarianism.

Frozentoes2 · 21/12/2021 21:56

@XenoBitch

You sound like you’ve been through some really hard times. I’m sorry you’re in a bad place because some of your posts on here have been the sanest and most logical and you sound like a decent person.

Please don’t think that posters on here represent how the majority think. They don’t.

There are lots of us out there who have had the jab who honestly don’t believe in forcing medical treatments on others.

Especially when omicron is showing all the signs of being a mild version of covid.

The Tory government is looking to scapegoat the unvaccinated to deflect blame from its own shortcomings and some people are falling for it. Covid tests running out for example - are they joking - they knew exactly what to expect this winter and should have prepared!

The government have been caught out SO many times not following their own rules, and so have prominent figures in the media.

So what do they do? Find a scapegoat to attack - the unvaccinated. Even though you can have three jabs and STILL pass on covid. It’s insane!

DoleWhipFloat · 21/12/2021 21:57

@Beachcomber

Perfect.

StarryNightSky26 · 21/12/2021 21:58

Do people seriously think restricting venues to 'vaccinated only' will have any effect? Do you really think people will obey? Do you really think venues will implement the checks needed anyway?

I've had to show my Covid pass about a dozen times in the past few weeks...theatre, cinema, nightclub etc.

I could have flashed them Micky Mouse's Covid Pass for all the attention they paid, every time. Quite frankly, venues/the staff in them couldn't give a fuck...they're not checked properly anyway. EVERY single person I've spoken to in RL, family colleagues, school mums...they all say the same.

Covid passes largely aren't checked properly. Neither will vaccine passes be.

I'm unvaccinated and staying that way. I won't comply with any unvaccinated ban. There are plenty of fake covid passes freely available online now and vaccine passes will be no different, should the need arise to go to a restaurant etc 🤷🏻‍♀️