Govt plans re unvaccinated feels like a change is afoot

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Anyone noticed the govt and news sources seem to be covering more and more stories regarding the unvaccinated (by choice)
I feel they might be ramping up support for restrictions for unvaccinated people.
It's feel very much like propaganda and warm up the masses.
Anyone agree or noticed this in the last 3/4 days?

@userperuser I’m guessing because they don’t have mental capacity to consent.

Ffs why the hysteria?

Omnicron is MILD! You surely have more deaths from flu right now - even with them massaging the covid death figures.

Plus the vaccine DOESN’T prevent the spread of covid.

How can anyone justify forcing medical decisions on anyone else in this context!!? Your body, your choice!

Not really any different to trying to swab a child tho is it and we all think that is acceptable at the minute. We all have different views I know if my husband bear hugged me I wouldn't be going anywhere any time soon and once it was over he might get called a few choice words but that would be the end of it

There is a huge difference between a wriggly child and a fully grown adult.
I can't believe you think restraining someone to give them the jab is acceptable.

Restraining an adult with capacity to force a medical procedure on them is a serious assault.

I just can’t believe how our freedom has been eroded in this country

For what it’s worth I’ve had the jab but cannot believe I live in a country where forced medical decisions on other people may become the norm.

Or worse, some kind of two tiered society may be our reality, where others are penalised for not doing what they are told by an authoritarian government, EVEN when what’s being asked of them defies logic (ie getting regular jabs to protect against a fucking cold!).

Not really any different to trying to swab a child tho is it and we all think that is acceptable at the minute.

Speak for yourself when you say 'all' think this that is acceptable. I don't think it's acceptable at all, and I know I'm not the only one.

@Frozentoes2

I just can’t believe how our freedom has been eroded in this country

For what it’s worth I’ve had the jab but cannot believe I live in a country where forced medical decisions on other people may become the norm.

Or worse, some kind of two tiered society may be our reality, where others are penalised for not doing what they are told by an authoritarian government, EVEN when what’s being asked of them defies logic (ie getting regular jabs to protect against a fucking cold!).

I can't believe I live in a country where a minority of selfish fuckers will mean a forced lockdown for the people who followed the rules.

And no. They aren't medically exempt, they are full of shit.

@XenoBitch some posters on MN have completely lost the plot. The very idea that pinning a healthy person down and forcing a vaccine into their bodies is in any way the right thing to do just beggars belief.

@Frozentoes2

I just can’t believe how our freedom has been eroded in this country

For what it’s worth I’ve had the jab but cannot believe I live in a country where forced medical decisions on other people may become the norm.

Or worse, some kind of two tiered society may be our reality, where others are penalised for not doing what they are told by an authoritarian government, EVEN when what’s being asked of them defies logic (ie getting regular jabs to protect against a fucking cold!).

Totally agree. Scary how easily people can be manipulated into condoning authoritarianism over what is let’s face it a very minor issue for a global population of 8 billion. 5 million have died of Covid. Meanwhile, the population of the globe has gone UP by over 77 million this year (so far) ‘despite Covid’.

Ride roughshod over liberty once and you set a very very dangerous precedent.

The severity of the disease itself should be the only nudge needed to get treatment for it or not.

If this had the IFR of Ebola I’m pretty sure take up on treatment would be pretty close to 100% almost by default & nobody would be whining over lockdowns and any other trivial issues etc

@MollyQueenOfSocks

Covid isn’t spreading because of the unvaccinated. It’s spreading because it’s a virus which has mutated into a more contagious and (hopefully) milder form. Everyone getting vaccinated won’t stop it!

I can't believe I live in a country where a minority of selfish fuckers will mean a forced lockdown for the people who followed the rules

An estimated 125,000 of those people you call 'selfish fuckers' are NHS staff. Last year they were your heroes. This year they're 'selfish fuckers'. Gotcha.

@userperuser

Starcup

I literally just told you the general consensus is that boosters will be refused by those double jabbed as they are generally not at risk and wouldn’t have taken them if they had realised that would happen.

And if the covid passport includes boosters ( which it likely will, otherwise what’s the point in booster) they’ll be screwed…..

@MollyQueenOfSocks the data doesn’t look like we’re going to need a lockdown at all Molly - rightly so seeing as over 80% of the people who made up over 70% of the hospitalisations last year have been triple jabbed.

^The severity of the disease itself should be the only nudge needed to get treatment for it or not.

If this had the IFR of Ebola I’m pretty sure take up on treatment would be pretty close to 100% almost by default & nobody would be whining over lockdowns and any other trivial issues etc^

Very true.

@bumbleymummy

Actually research seems to point to the vaccinated being less likely yo infect others.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/no-vaccinated-people-are-not-just-as-infectious-as-unvaccinated-people-if-they-get-covid-171302

@XenoBitch

Not really any different to trying to swab a child tho is it and we all think that is acceptable at the minute. We all have different views I know if my husband bear hugged me I wouldn't be going anywhere any time soon and once it was over he might get called a few choice words but that would be the end of it

There is a huge difference between a wriggly child and a fully grown adult.
I can't believe you think restraining someone to give them the jab is acceptable.

I would happily restrain an adult to give them a jab, over restraining a kid for a swab. My reasons if the kid gets the disease it doesn't add to NHS pressure but the adult might.

Honestly if my husband pinned me down for something like that it wouldn't even cross my mind as an issue as it's something that would have to be done

About time, too.

@MaxNormal

This is an excellent article on the subject. It discusses the reaction of the US left but is pertinent here too.

Excellent article. The left has disappointed me and lost what little respect I had left for them "Standing up for the little person". The New York mandate disproportionately excludes African Americans and Hispanic Americans (with many healthcare workers being suspended or fired). The weirdest coalition I saw marching were BLM with Red Hat Trump supporters all chanting "Let's go Brandon". How do you think the affected minorities will vote.

Are you trained in adult restraint? Are you aware how strong an adult can be? How about one who is absolutely not consenting to what is being done to them?

I really don't think you would be so compliant if it was something you did not want.

@EmmaOvary I linked to a study upthread that states otherwise so it’s certainly not as cut and dry as some people are trying to make out to justify forcing/coercing people to have it ‘for the greater good’.

What scares me is watching how easily people can be manipulated by fear.

@bumbleymummy not really. The study states "fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases" It also, however, states that "Fully vaccinated individuals with delta variant infection had a faster (posterior probability >0·84) mean rate of viral load decline (0·95 log10 copies per mL per day) than did unvaccinated individuals with pre-alpha (0·69), alpha (0·82), or delta (0·79) variant infections. "

The article I shared explains why peak viral load is a red herring, vaccinated people clear the virus quicker so are infectious for less time.

@howdiditcometothis666

What scares me is watching how easily people can be manipulated by fear.

Scary isn't it!? It's unbelievable.

@XenoBitch

Are you trained in adult restraint? Are you aware how strong an adult can be? How about one who is absolutely not consenting to what is being done to them?

I really don't think you would be so compliant if it was something you did not want.

I was many many (40 or so) years ago but didn't need to keep it current. Its unpleasant and difficult even if the parson is aware and consents eg someone who is needle phobic but who understands the need to have the injection/blood test and consents to having it done no matter what.

Good The more restrictions on the unvaxed the more likely they will be to get on with it and let us have our lives back Limitations on their own lives will quickly get them to change their stance