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Govt plans re unvaccinated feels like a change is afoot

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whenwillthemadnessend · 21/12/2021 11:51

Anyone noticed the govt and news sources seem to be covering more and more stories regarding the unvaccinated (by choice)
I feel they might be ramping up support for restrictions for unvaccinated people.
It's feel very much like propaganda and warm up the masses.
Anyone agree or noticed this in the last 3/4 days?

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Starcup · 21/12/2021 17:38

@userperuser

Starcup

Put themselves in the same position? But that all will be well because at least they tried?

Ehhh?
MrsBillyNoJagNoMates · 21/12/2021 17:42

@Starcup

*Only 52% have had 3 doses*

So imagine how much more protection 3 doses would offer?! Don’t forget, the older and more vulnerable will have been I used first to get the booster, it will be the under 40’s that we’re waiting to get invited, but they aren’t likely to get seriously ill anyway.

I’m not interested enough in sifting through a 90+ document.

The point is, if 90% of the people are vaccinated, 10% unvaccinated, then in theory for the vaccine to be useless, it would be a ration on 9:1 (vaccinated:unvaccinated) in hospital.

It’s not though, if those figures are correct and it’s 50% that are unvaccinated then that’s significant. It means the vaccines are working

The point is, if 90% of the people are vaccinated, 10% unvaccinated, then in theory for the vaccine to be useless, it would be a ration on 9:1 (vaccinated:unvaccinated) in hospital.

That's the point though
How many 'people' are actually vaccinated???

userperuser · 21/12/2021 17:43

In answer to your question:

What could an unvaccinated person do? Hmm let me think….

Starcup · 21/12/2021 17:43

The vast majority!

Starcup · 21/12/2021 17:44

@MrsBillyNoJagNoMates

Starcup · 21/12/2021 17:47

@userperuser

In answer to your question:

What could an unvaccinated person do? Hmm let me think….

Aye, it still makes no sense.

If the vast majority of people are vaccinated, yet still 50% of the icu cases are unvaccinated…. If you can’t see the pattern then there is no hope.

MrsBillyNoJagNoMates · 21/12/2021 17:49

@Starcup

The vast majority!
70%
userperuser · 21/12/2021 17:52

Starcup

I pointed out that only 52% are tripped jabbed to which you responded that the rest were like under 40 and not at risk of hospitalisation so on your reasoning there’s no difference in jabbed or unjabbed needing treatment. This is what happens when you guess instead of waiting for actual data to show one way or the other.

Starcup · 21/12/2021 17:52

I don’t think it’s 70%, but if you’re referring to those that have had their boosters, perhaps it is 70.

You’ve got to remember that the most vulnerable, elderly will have been invited for their booster first and they’re the ones that will get the sickest.

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 21/12/2021 17:53

@AdmiralCain

I'm severely Pro choice (With a hint of anti vax) You get one jab - you still catch and pass on Covid You get jab two - you still catch and pass on Covid You get jab three - you still catch and pass on Covid The product is faulty - Lets blame the people who aren't jabbed.

Seatbelts won't save your life in 100% of accidents.

Should we repeal the seatbelt laws? Are seatbelts as a product faulty?

No it is about reducing the risk.

ifonly4 · 21/12/2021 17:53

I'm not going to make any comments about my personal opinion, but I've noticed both Savid and Boris have changed their phrasing over the last few days. One day Savid saying he's not going to make vaccines mandatory, another saying the unvaccinated need to think about the impact they're having on the rest of society. I've half wondered myself if at some point there would have to be a change in attitude and can't be the only one, so either way anyone has had the chance to decide what's best for them.

Starcup · 21/12/2021 17:54

@userperuser

Starcup

I pointed out that only 52% are tripped jabbed to which you responded that the rest were like under 40 and not at risk of hospitalisation so on your reasoning there’s no difference in jabbed or unjabbed needing treatment. This is what happens when you guess instead of waiting for actual data to show one way or the other.

There are figures being thrown about here there and everywhere at the minute so let’s be honest, none of us know the exact ins and outs.

The point still stands about the most vulnerable already having been offered it

Cornettoninja · 21/12/2021 17:55

@CoastalWave

No. You're missing the point and it's not lazy deflection in the slightest. Just the uncomfortable truth for people like you.

If a women is ALLOWED to kill an unborn baby SIMPLY BECAUSE the foetus is in her body and for whatever reason she doesn't want it, then you cannot FORCE other people to inject something that THEY DON"T WANT INTO THEIR BODY.

Some spectacularly thick people on this thread tbh. You can't have it both ways!!!

If vaccine is forced, I would say the abortion argument of 'my body my choice' goes flying right out of the window.

You sound hysterical. And wrong.
userperuser · 21/12/2021 17:56

Starcup

Then why make statements like 90% in ICU unvaccinated then hopelessly try to defend it?

Dollymantra · 21/12/2021 18:08

I think the upshot of this thread is that restrictions for the unvaccinated by choice are very popular.

So it’s very likely they will come in soon.

Dollymantra · 21/12/2021 18:12

@ifonly4 I agree. There’s a sense that they’re laying the groundwork for unvaxxed restrictions.

It will definitely change behaviour. My cleaner said her DH will only get vaccinated if vaccine passports come in.

MrsBillyNoJagNoMates · 21/12/2021 18:13

@Starcup

I don’t think it’s 70%, but if you’re referring to those that have had their boosters, perhaps it is 70.

You’ve got to remember that the most vulnerable, elderly will have been invited for their booster first and they’re the ones that will get the sickest.

Thats the point It is not what you think 70% of population is double jabbed Please check your facts before you post
Tittyfilarious81 · 21/12/2021 18:14

All the posters who support the restrictions for the unvaccinated ,what do you expect will be the outcome ?

Will the nhs suddenly be up and running like it was before the pandemic ? No because it's a broken system

You can show your pass to get into places when no unvaccinated are so it's safer ? Again no, transmission is reduced but it's very questionable by how much especially with omicron so what's achieved .

Restrictions are nothing to do with health and protecting people or the nhs ,they are to back people into a corner , to erode their life so they end up with no choice it's a case of do as the government says and get your jab 1 ,2, 3 etc until they decide it's over with your pass revoked if you don't keep up . Then it's teenagers and kids and there is absolutely no long term data on the effects if this ,but that's ok isn't it so long as everyone who has had their vaccine can have their life back and the unvaccinated are kept away .

Flowerlane · 21/12/2021 18:17

@Dollymantra

I think the upshot of this thread is that restrictions for the unvaccinated by choice are very popular.

So it’s very likely they will come in soon.

Oh of course because a few people on mumsnet want restrictions for the unvaccinated it will likely happen. Hmm

Its strange because in the ‘real world’ I don’t find any of these views being spoken about, in fact the complete opposite.

nojudgementhere · 21/12/2021 18:17

@Dollymantra

I think the upshot of this thread is that restrictions for the unvaccinated by choice are very popular.

So it’s very likely they will come in soon.

Sounds like you're suffering from a touch of confirmation bias there @Dollymantra! I think it's obvious that restrictions for the unvaccinated by choice are extremely unpopular with many people on here too. There's no logical reason for them as it seems clear from looking at Europe that they don't help us avoid lockdowns and we now know that the vaccinated are catching and transmitting Covid in very high numbers. It's seems to be all about punishing people who won't/can't comply and there are huge ethical issues with that.
ilovesooty · 21/12/2021 18:20

@Dollymantra

I think the upshot of this thread is that restrictions for the unvaccinated by choice are very popular.

So it’s very likely they will come in soon.

I think the measure is increasingly being supported by the general population.
userperuser · 21/12/2021 18:24

I do not know one person IRL who supports the views of those on MN, even those most scared of covid in fact, talk of it in the media has caused at least 20 people I know to say they will now not take the boosters.

nojudgementhere · 21/12/2021 18:28

@IloveSooty - Really? And you know that how? Covid passports have a huge negative impact on the economy so I'm not convinced anyone in the hospitality industry would agree with you. Even five months of the current Plan B was predicted to cost about £18 billion. Surely we'd be better off investing that kind of money in our crumbling NHS rather than using it on pointlessly banning 'the unclean' from Tescos?

Starcup · 21/12/2021 18:30

@userperuser

Starcup

Then why make statements like 90% in ICU unvaccinated then hopelessly try to defend it?

What on earth are you going on about?

I never said 90% of covid cases in hospital were unvaccinated. I said it looks like the majority of people in hospital are the unvaccinated. We even debated that if might only be a marginal majority, but even then that’s significant.

Think you’re getting yourself mixed up with the 90% figure I stated that have been vaccinated!!!

If you’re

PrincessPaws · 21/12/2021 18:31

But it does feel like some kind of group is targeting here because there has been an absolute flurry of threads suggesting unvaccinated people are thick; deserve to die; selfish, etc.

Or maybe it's just the frustration of many many people starting to come through in the face of potentially more restrictions