Govt plans re unvaccinated feels like a change is afoot

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Anyone noticed the govt and news sources seem to be covering more and more stories regarding the unvaccinated (by choice)
I feel they might be ramping up support for restrictions for unvaccinated people.
It's feel very much like propaganda and warm up the masses.
Anyone agree or noticed this in the last 3/4 days?

Only 52% have had 3 doses

So imagine how much more protection 3 doses would offer?! Don’t forget, the older and more vulnerable will have been I used first to get the booster, it will be the under 40’s that we’re waiting to get invited, but they aren’t likely to get seriously ill anyway.

I’m not interested enough in sifting through a 90+ document.

The point is, if 90% of the people are vaccinated, 10% unvaccinated, then in theory for the vaccine to be useless, it would be a ration on 9:1 (vaccinated:unvaccinated) in hospital.

It’s not though, if those figures are correct and it’s 50% that are unvaccinated then that’s significant. It means the vaccines are working

@BellaChagall

I now support restrictions for the unvaccinated. My industry is decimated. I need my income and my life back.

You really think that by restricting the unvaccinated from activities/places that covid will disappear and the Nhs will go back to normal?

Deluded if you think it will.

Optional activities are called that because they are optional. If you feel you are being forced to get a jab, don't go to The Nutcracker. It's not mandatory.

Right? It's so bloody condescending to say, in effect: You are more likely to die of Covid but god forbid we persuade you to get vaxxed, because actually you are too stupid and conservative to comprehend the benefits. But everyone else can!

But what if they're not 'persuaded'?

There have been a lot of pro-vaccination campaigns over the past year, including some aimed at ethnic minorities. If they haven't been 'persuaded' a year and a bit on, you're moving the 'persuasion' to a different level. Some might call it coercion.

Obviously this doesn't only apply to ethnic minorities, and as you say, some minority groups have above average vaccine uptake. But on the whole, it does disproportionately target them.

may I express my disgust at posters on here displaying their faux concern for ethnic minority groups being disproportionately affected? And using them as a shield to cover for the fact that perhaps they haven't been vaccinated?

Why do you think it's faux concern? I'm in an improvised support group for people who are about to lose their jobs due to being unvaccinated and I'm literally the only white British person there. You can't wish away the fact that the hammer is going to fall hard on minorities, as they make up a disproportionately large section of the unvaxxed. (I'm fully vaccinated btw, so not looking for some kind of 'moral cover' to justify my own choices, as you've implied).

@Starcup well, no, it’s not ‘cool’ but hopefully it will stop the ‘90%/vast majority/taking all the icu beds’ comments.

@Rocaille

may I express my disgust at posters on here displaying their faux concern for ethnic minority groups being disproportionately affected? And using them as a shield to cover for the fact that perhaps they haven't been vaccinated?

Why do you think it's faux concern? I'm in an improvised support group for people who are about to lose their jobs due to being unvaccinated and I'm literally the only white British person there. You can't wish away the fact that the hammer is going to fall hard on minorities, as they make up a disproportionately large section of the unvaxxed. (I'm fully vaccinated btw, so not looking for some kind of 'moral cover' to justify my own choices, as you've implied).

Why are they unvaccinated and in what jobs do they work?

Why are they unvaccinated and in what jobs do they work?

Lots of different reasons for not wanting to be vaccinated at this stage; NHS.

"No. You're missing the point and it's not lazy deflection in the slightest. Just the uncomfortable truth for people like you.

If a women is ALLOWED to kill an unborn baby SIMPLY BECAUSE the foetus is in her body and for whatever reason she doesn't want it, then you cannot FORCE other people to inject something that THEY DON"T WANT INTO THEIR BODY.

Some spectacularly thick people on this thread tbh. You can't have it both ways!!!

If vaccine is forced, I would say the abortion argument of 'my body my choice' goes flying right out of the window. "

@CoastalWave explain, please, how à woman's choice to abort a foetus in any way contributes to a global public health emergency with millions of deaths?

@EmmaOvary - it's to do with autonomy.

@CaliforniaDrumming There’s a big difference between encouraging people and ‘persuading’ them by taking away their freedom until they comply.

[quote bumbleymummy]@Starcup well, no, it’s not ‘cool’ but hopefully it will stop the ‘90%/vast majority/taking all the icu beds’ comments.[/quote]
Buy taking up half the beds potentially needlessly isn’t a good thing…..

Starcup

And the vaccinated are taking up the other half.

@quietinhere unfortunately autonomy is a moot point when the actions of an individual or group adversely affect another. 'But I want to' is not a sufficient defense.

[quote quietinhere]@EmmaOvary - it's to do with autonomy.[/quote]
But no one is pinning anyone down to vaccinate them. If they can’t join in all social events/activities then that’s the consequence if their choice, right?

You can’t have it both ways…

[quote bumbleymummy]@ilovesooty so it’s just about ‘punishing’ people rather than trying to stop spread/reduce risk to NHS? Well, at least you’re honest![/quote]
You interpret it like that if you want.

@Rocaille

Why are they unvaccinated and in what jobs do they work?

Lots of different reasons for not wanting to be vaccinated at this stage; NHS.

Ethnic minorities in the NHS need to be vaxxed, same as everybody else, come April. This has been discussed on here quite a bit and I am not really interested in going into it further. Otherwise, they can find other jobs.

I can't be the only ethnic minority who thinks this, for god's sake. You can't have different rules for different folk in the NHS. As a brown person, I don't want that, thanks.

@userperuser

Starcup

And the vaccinated are taking up the other half.

Yes but they’ve done what they can to protect themselves…. There’s nothing more they could do.

What could an unvaccinated person do? Hmm let me think….

@KurtWildesChristmasNamechange

I said optional activities. I thought my post was quite clear. I'm surprised that you appear to have trouble understanding it.

Oh no I fully understood what you meant @ilovesooty, I just wondered if you realised how ridiculous you sound? By your standards you'd be ok with an unvaccinated nurse taking your blood pressure, but not sitting at a table in a restaurant. Have a word with yourself.

I think all health care professionals should be vaccinated. That's a separate issue.

It seems to me that there is a proportion of the population who are more than happy for there to be a 'two tier society' if it's the CEV staying in all day, every day, indefinitely, to protect themselves, considerably less so if it's them missing out on tickets to Wicked.

Starcup

Put themselves in the same position? But that all will be well because at least they tried?

@CoastalWave explain, please, how à woman's choice to abort a foetus in any way contributes to a global public health emergency with millions of deaths?

Because the argument to abort is simply saying, I don't want this foetus in my body because of x y or z reason. We don't question. It's a woman's right as it's HER body.

It's STILL my body - you can't just force something into someone's body IF they don't want it.

That's why. Irrelevant actually what the issue is or why.

Actually personally I think it's disgusting to kill a baby - BUT that's only MY opinion. I would never deny a woman that right. Likewise, I may or may not think that someone should take a vaccine but it's THEIR body and THEIR right to refuse.

Not RTFT but 100% agree with restrictions for unvaccinated people (by choice). Their choice - then they can take the consequences.

@CoastalWave you're still spectacularly missing the point, are you being deliberately obtuse?