Do unvaccinated people not see they are part of the problem?

[User135644]

I accept it's people's right whether they get jabbed or not, entirely up to them. However, the more people stubbornly refuse a vaccine then the worse it'll be for all of us. The hospitals will be more stretched and we'll have more restrictions, lockdowns or circuit breakers. People who won't get the vaccine are often the most anti-lockdown or restrictions, yet are part of the problem as to why we'll keep getting them.

Where exactly do they think we'd be without vaccines? We wouldn't have had a relatively normal 6 months or so with everything open, that's for sure.

I think everyone bar the shareholders is a bit disappointed with the covid vaccines.
The promised "tweaking" seems to have been a bit oversold.

I'm unvaccinated. I had Covid so I have antibodies. I'm as 'protected' as anyone else.
You're not as protected as anyone else.
"while being infected with COVID-19 can provide some level of antibody protection, it’s not guaranteed for everyone, and the level of protection is lower with natural immunity." from the Zoe research, but plenty of other scientists have also reached the same conclusion.

@Alexandra2001

...and is if to prove my point, this gets posted.

Why are booster shots necessary if the immunity produced from the existing crop of vaccines is stable, durable, and sufficiently broad to recognise variants?

Haha.

People have a variety of responses to vaccinations, which is why it is totally normal to give boosters. Sometimes, like with Hep-B, a small proportion of people have very poor responses to the vaccine. They get another booster, and then another. This makes sense scientifically and I have no objection to it. I do find the covid vaccination strategy a little more puzzling.

I'd be grateful if you could answer my question.

@bumbleymummy ha ha! You’ve just put a graph totally illustrating my point - yes of course England has had more deaths than anyone in Europe in the last 3-4 months! What does your graph say to dispute that? It doesn’t. This is FACT. You know, those things that people who are anti vax don’t like. All around the world England is being held up as one of the worst places ever managing a pandemic.

on a facebook page telling local people where walk in vaccines are available this ... male person (fill in appropriate language)... kept putting up RFI on gov.uk page about a question someone had asked - the question was long & full of dodgy info (aka amongst other things it claimed it was radioactive & dangerous for breast fed babies. The point was this also included the FOI answers to his questions explaining WHY the questions contained inaccurate information sources & why they knew it was safe from ongoing research etc etc
But he still didn't see/understand why constantly stating that this question proved you are putting poison in your arms
It was full of pseudo scientific babble & other people who read this may get confused through the solid amount & misunderstand the context. ie it was not proof - someone told him that he hadn't understood what he was using as proof was actually the opposite

@blameless Sorry to hear you had issues after covid and that’s great you’ve been fine after the jabs, not forgetting we’re all different and will all react differently
I’m still really not ok, my main worry being the heart and chest pain, I’m sat here with it today, whilst friends take their children and Dp takes our Dd to a Christmas village.
I’ve had to pay private and have spent thousands on trying to get better, I’m currently on the waiting list to have my heart looked at again, the private doctor has shortened her patients list due to covid.
Once I’m (hopefully) given the all clear with my heart, I’ll have to play what I feel is Russian roulette with my body and have it done. Mainly because I feel the pressure hugely, in order to be able to even participate in life or travel home to see my family when I finally (again, hopefully) feel up to it.

75% of those in ICU beds are unvaccinated.

Covid-19: Hospitals at capacity with mainly unvaccinated patients www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-59405471

It’s time the unvaccinated were targeted with more restrictions so the rest of us can maintain some level of normality (eg keep schools open) and have access to emergency care, operations etc.

No I don't think people who make a decision not to vaccinate are the problem in UK at moment I think the problem is the fact we have not put in enough effort to vaccinating the willing globally.

Those who chose not to can live (or not) with the consequences of their actions. We treat people all the time with preventable health conditions.

@Stellf

My cousin has had 2 vaccines and she’s seriously ill in bed with COVID right now, fighting for breath…….now……you tell me….do the vaccines work? No they obviously fucking don’t 🙄

But she's at home in bed and not in hospital? That's good enough for me!

@chaosrabbitland

You have used more derogatory language than anyone else on the thread!

As someone who works in comms, I really think the govt should put out better comms stressing that:
(1) The vaccine is not 100% effective. That does not mean it is not very effective.
(2) Being vaxxed does not eliminate your chance of transmitting it to someone else. But it REDUCES it greatly. Enough for everyone to be advised to take the vax.
(2) Immunity from Covid is as yet unproven and unreliable.
(3) AZ has saved far more people than it has killed. Far.

@Inthelivingyears I’d get another medical opinion from someone in the long covid clinic about vaccination. Read here there is good evidence that a vaccination could help… www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-11-26/can-vaccines-help-prevent-long-covid-new-study-takes-a-look (although obviously please do get medical advice, a second opinion and take along these studies… )

I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but can you not understand that these people are genuinely frightened?

I'd be genuinely frightened too if I'd left myself completely unprotected during a pandemic that has killed so many people and will kill many more.

@JanisMoplin

As someone who works in comms, I really think the govt should put out better comms stressing that: (1) The vaccine is not 100% effective. That does not mean it is not very effective. (2) Being vaxxed does not eliminate your chance of transmitting it to someone else. But it REDUCES it greatly. Enough for everyone to be advised to take the vax. (2) Immunity from Covid is as yet unproven and unreliable. (3) AZ has saved far more people than it has killed. Far.

Well said.

All but one of the unvaccinated people I know (who are anti-vax rather than unvacc for med reasons) are smokers.

Oh, the irony.

Vaccine side effects are being brushed under carpet and nobody knows what effect so many doses of vaccines can have so close together.

The reason we have multiple doses and not just one vaccination is so they can put a weaker dose in each one, to stop us getting so ill.

If they just gave us one dose it would have to be very strong and apart from the stronger immunity and reduced risk of long covid, we might as well just all purposely go out and catch covid. Which would be bad if lots of people got ill and needed hospital treatment at the same time.

You clearly do not accept that it's peoples CHOICE

Vaccine or not everyone can spread it and it's just a part of the norm now. Just get on with your own shit and leave people to get on with theirs.

Many aren’t frightened, they simply feel they’re above everybody else.

@MargaretThursday

I'm unvaccinated. I had Covid so I have antibodies. I'm as 'protected' as anyone else. You're not as protected as anyone else. "while being infected with COVID-19 can provide some level of antibody protection, it’s not guaranteed for everyone, and the level of protection is lower with natural immunity." from the Zoe research, but plenty of other scientists have also reached the same conclusion.

This is true. The immune response to covid infection will be variable.

The immune response to vaccination will also be variable. That might be evened out with a second dose.

The rationale behind a third dose is less obvious to me. I'll happily read any recommended papers.

@Staryflight445

Many aren’t frightened, they simply feel they’re above everybody else.

Yes unfortunately I think this is right. And why a thread like this is OK because there is a disconnection between ‘you can’t tell me what to do’ and ‘my actions don’t have consequences’.

If we are to get through this pandemic, we all need to be more aware, not less that our actions have consequences. Whether it be not wearing a mask on the tube, or not vaccinating.

@Tuba437

The answer is simple and essentially refuse to let them into work etc unless they are jabbed along with restrictions on all shops/hospitality (tough tits they can get home delivery of the essentials) if they need it.

yeah i think thats a great idea and when they lose their jobs and are all on unelmployment benefit whos paying for all that then ? are you always lacking this much common sense or is it just on sundays ? and heres people calling the unvacinnted stupid lol

Why would me getting vaccinated protect you, when your own two vaccines and a booster clearly haven't?

As you’ve read multiple times, having antibodies from covid itself will only protect you so much. It creates a weaker immune response and there are various strains of the virus.

Also please educate yourself on herd immunity and why fortunately in this country we now have a control over various illnesses like polio.

@MargaretThursday

I'm unvaccinated. I had Covid so I have antibodies. I'm as 'protected' as anyone else. You're not as protected as anyone else. "while being infected with COVID-19 can provide some level of antibody protection, it’s not guaranteed for everyone, and the level of protection is lower with natural immunity." from the Zoe research, but plenty of other scientists have also reached the same conclusion.

You're honestly trying to say that the human body, and the way it's designed to provide immunity, has messed up this time and can't actually do it?

So if I contacted measles as a child I still should have had my vaccination afterwards?

Or when my child contracted Chickenpox as a 2 year old, I should have raced him to get him vaccinated afterwards?

At no point in history, have we ever said natural immunity is crap. But all of a sudden with covid, it's not good enough.

I've had antibodies tests. I'm doing great. Ironically, a lady I know has had both jabs and has produced NO antibodies at all.

Maybe we should test people for immunity rather than just randomly whacking boosters in every few months.

The rationale behind a third dose is less obvious to me. I'll happily read any recommended papers. Immunity wanes around 6 months, and after 9 months is low enough that they are considering any vaccine passports would be void.

Also. Omicron. Pfizer found that after

• 2 vaccinations - 35% effective against omicron. 80/90% against delta.
• 2 vaccinations plus booster - 75% effective against omicron.

@DotBall

All but one of the unvaccinated people I know (who are anti-vax rather than unvacc for med reasons) are smokers.

Oh, the irony.

ooo wouldnt you just believe it lol , im vaccinated and i smoke , gosh how strange is that !! some of the shit on this thread is pricelss , it just keeps on giving