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Massive turn in opinion…

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Normando91 · 18/12/2021 23:01

Is it just me or has opinion on a possible lockdown or circuit breaker in the coming days or week completely changed in the past 24 hours?

I hadn’t looked at Sky News in the last 2 days as it all just seemed speculation and bleak but having looked tonight it looks inevitable that we’re going to face some kind of stricter restrictions, most likely after Christmas, but possibly before.

Everyone I’ve spoke to has gone from, no we will not go into lockdown (or further restrictions) to yeah, it’s coming.

Who would have thought we’d be back here a year later from lasts Christmases shit show.

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ShinyHappyPoster · 19/12/2021 11:19

I don't think it's a massive turn in opinion. I think its that the behavioural scientists working with the government think the UK general public are so stupid and selfish that it takes at least a week for them to prepare us for each lockdown. They hint round about, let people get angry, up their socialising and spending in anticipation of a lockdown. Then, eventually, reluctantly, as though they're sending errant toddlers to their rooms, they announce the lockdown.

Either that or Boris just is incompetent and incapable of making a decision in a timely manner.

Either could be true. Both could be true. Hmm

lljkk · 19/12/2021 11:19

Predicted 3000 admissions/day - > yes I think Lockdown is coming for sure.
I'm not blaming anyone.

I suspect that isolating the people who are well with Covid is causing more harm than good at this point, though. That policy I'd like to see changed.

Florianus · 19/12/2021 11:19

@TerraNovaTwo

More lockdown and will cripple the economy. Mass unemployment, agoraphobia and crime rates will soar. Domestic violence and child abuse will increase tenfold.

There have been 85 deaths from omicron so far. I think everyone needs to calm the fuck down and carry down. Hmm

85 is the number of hospitalisations from Omicron. The number of deaths is believed to be 7.

metro.co.uk/2021/12/18/omicron-death-toll-rises-to-seven-with-85-cases-now-in-hospital-15791722/

Tinsellittis · 19/12/2021 11:20

@Shouldbedoing

It's not a massive turn in opinion, it's a massive increase in infections.
This
ginnig · 19/12/2021 11:20

I do think we get lockdown when we want it if that makes sense as you can only have it by compliance. It's why I never believed we could have gone into lockdown in February 2020 as some posters claimed.

phishy · 19/12/2021 11:20

@ginnig

I genuinely can't remember, I wouldn't have done so pre event as it was a decision made on xmas morning. I certainly told friends & colleagues, who confessed similar. I'm not a covigilante though!
Fair enough ginnig ☺️
ginnig · 19/12/2021 11:23

I think its that the behavioural scientists working with the government think the UK general public are so stupid and selfish that it takes at least a week for them to prepare us for each lockdown

One thing i've taken from the pandemic is a large section of the population are more stupid then I realised.

User135644 · 19/12/2021 11:24

@ginnig

I think its that the behavioural scientists working with the government think the UK general public are so stupid and selfish that it takes at least a week for them to prepare us for each lockdown

One thing i've taken from the pandemic is a large section of the population are more stupid then I realised.

Is it not just basic psychology though? Denial, anger, bargaining etc. I.e. we have to go through the whole dance first as people won't accept it straight away.
ginnig · 19/12/2021 11:24

I bet we will get more panic buying soon

MarshaBradyo · 19/12/2021 11:25

Who does except lockdown easily?

It’s a huge deal and damaging

ginnig · 19/12/2021 11:26

@User135644 yes I agree that people need to be led into wanting lockdowns. I don't think that's stupid, it's psychology as you say.

MarshaBradyo · 19/12/2021 11:27

Accept…

canary1 · 19/12/2021 11:28

It seems this is driven by the unvaccinated who are making up the majority of admissions.
They should be restricted, if they choose to not have the jab. The rest of society should suffer because of their choices

canary1 · 19/12/2021 11:29

Should NOT suffer

ginnig · 19/12/2021 11:30

The stupidity for me was the mass toilet roll buying, the hatred of furlough, the callings for stricter lockdowns like China, the lack of recognition that lockdowns can also cause damage, the Bill Gates wants to control us rhetoric, the automatic acceptance of demonising vax refusers without looking at why, etc

HoardingSamphireSaurus · 19/12/2021 11:32

@canary1

It seems this is driven by the unvaccinated who are making up the majority of admissions. They should be restricted, if they choose to not have the jab. The rest of society should suffer because of their choices
Retricted? Excatly how would you suggest that happens?

How would you find them?
How would you categorise them depending on thereasons for not being vaccinated?
Where would you keep them?
What would you do to support any family they were responsoble for?

and on and on and on

WhoAre · 19/12/2021 11:32

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ginnig · 19/12/2021 11:34

There are NHS staff unvaccinated, should they be restricted from working?

Curiousmouse · 19/12/2021 11:37

@HoardingSamphireSaurus

I am self employed. And DH is a site engineer, telecoms. We both have to work out of home.

And I am clinically vulnerable.

And we will both lockdown if that is what has to happen. And we will sit tight and keep our fingers crossed that it doesn't break us.

Same.
ShinyHappyPoster · 19/12/2021 11:38

It's one approach to psychology. It isn't the only approach. It's why it's accompanied with all the media pushing people against complying, the disproportionate publicity for Us for Them etc.

The government wants to prioritise big business - and it is big business. The Tories are not the party for the nation of shopkeepers any more. This way they get to pretend that it's the public 'helping' to make the decisions about lockdown. It's a way of diminishing political responsibility whilst painting the UK population as incapable of collective responsibility. All of which is a gift for a government that ultimately wants to privatise the NHS.

The more they can convince sections of the population that they don't need to care about those who are more vulnerable; they don't need to care about hospital numbers or the NHS coping; they need to care more about large conglomerates and chains - the easier it is for them to trash the NHS.

Look at how other countries have managed their communications and decision-making around lockdowns. Very different approaches than the one the WM government has - because they have different outcomes.

CheshireKitten123 · 19/12/2021 11:39

@WhoAre

Everyone is forgetting all of the NHS staff who will be catching it and unable to work at the rate this is spreading. The NHS will collapse if we don't take action, that's what a lockdown is protecting so I'm all for it.
The Director of Emergency Medicine was on TV this morning saying just this - the whole situation is exacerbated by so many staff being off sick.

As London has an Emergency situation then they might well start using the Army to transport patients out of the capital to other areas, which will compound the problems there.

IcedPurple · 19/12/2021 11:49

The Director of Emergency Medicine was on TV this morning saying just this - the whole situation is exacerbated by so many staff being off sick.

Many if not most won't actually be 'sick', but having to isolate even if asymptomatic.

MarshaBradyo · 19/12/2021 11:51

@IcedPurple

The Director of Emergency Medicine was on TV this morning saying just this - the whole situation is exacerbated by so many staff being off sick.

Many if not most won't actually be 'sick', but having to isolate even if asymptomatic.

True
Blubells · 19/12/2021 11:56

I suspect that isolating the people who are well with Covid is causing more harm than good at this point, though. That policy I'd like to see changed.

I agree. If symptoms are like mild cold, why the need to be locked away for 10 days?

MarshaBradyo · 19/12/2021 11:57

I’m hoping change on ten days will be next announcement