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Massive turn in opinion…

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Normando91 · 18/12/2021 23:01

Is it just me or has opinion on a possible lockdown or circuit breaker in the coming days or week completely changed in the past 24 hours?

I hadn’t looked at Sky News in the last 2 days as it all just seemed speculation and bleak but having looked tonight it looks inevitable that we’re going to face some kind of stricter restrictions, most likely after Christmas, but possibly before.

Everyone I’ve spoke to has gone from, no we will not go into lockdown (or further restrictions) to yeah, it’s coming.

Who would have thought we’d be back here a year later from lasts Christmases shit show.

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PickAChew · 19/12/2021 00:12

I think it's inevitable.

Though bozo has been suspiciously quiet, today. Probably at another cheese and wine "debriefing".

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Normando91 · 19/12/2021 00:14

From what I’m hearing, there’s a live update tomorrow at 8pm??

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Topseyt · 19/12/2021 00:21

I won't comply with any instruction not to see my elderly and disabled mother. I will see her as planned - inside.

Tealightsandd · 19/12/2021 00:29

@saleorbouy

Not surprised really. On my recent visit to see family in the U.K I wad aghast at the slack attitude towards the simple basics of sanitising hands and wearing masks in shops. The attitude of a significant of shoppers I saw in the supermarket was in stark contrast to where I live. Shame for raw businesses just getting going again but.looks like lockdown of some sort is really only means of control if some of the population are unwilling to help themselves and others by getting vaccinated and doing the basics of sanitising and mask wearing.
Yes you're absolutely right. I think some here (in the UK) don't even realise just how dreadfully it's been managed.

All the experts including the WHO repeatedly advised Vaccine Plus. Yet we kept on ignoring them.

Other countries took mitigation measures - keeping masks all along (and wearing them properly), good ventilation, vaccine passes. Whilst still dealing with the pandemic, they are in a better position than us.

Topseyt · 19/12/2021 00:56

I meant to finish by saying that my opinion (seeing family regardless) has not changed and never will.

There does seem to be some shift in public opinion, but I think overall compliance will be lower.

immersivereader · 19/12/2021 00:57

Live abroad and it's the same here. Christmas is basically cancelled

Chachasha · 19/12/2021 00:57

Yes there has and I cannot fucking understand it. The deja vu’s are very strong and I am beyond frustrated.

Strange. I always had you down as a medic.

Chachasha · 19/12/2021 01:00

Normando91

It's a matter of flattening the curve again, sorry. You will definitely not get your life back ignoring this. Lots of things on the plus side though. Better treatments, more vaccinations, only problem is too many sick people at once. But it seems inevitable that we'll get through this much faster due to increased transmission so the peak will be over sooner no matter what we do (which will be a pity because not everyone will get care).

BambinaJAS · 19/12/2021 01:06

@Normando91

Is it just me or has opinion on a possible lockdown or circuit breaker in the coming days or week completely changed in the past 24 hours?

I hadn’t looked at Sky News in the last 2 days as it all just seemed speculation and bleak but having looked tonight it looks inevitable that we’re going to face some kind of stricter restrictions, most likely after Christmas, but possibly before.

Everyone I’ve spoke to has gone from, no we will not go into lockdown (or further restrictions) to yeah, it’s coming.

Who would have thought we’d be back here a year later from lasts Christmases shit show.

Infections are doubling every 2 days.

This means that the transmission of the Omicron variant is out-running the Booster campaign because it takes 7-10 days for the immune system to respond.

We already have a group in the millions who just got infected over the last week.

Keep in mind there is a lag between being infected and being hospitalisased of about c4-14 days.

That wave in the millions is growing and its going to start landing on the NHS right around Christmas. Hospitalisations will then start increasing from that point on with deaths a week or so after that.

Without a lockdown (circuit breaker or partial) modelling points to this wave being worse than last years (in terms of daily hospitalisations and deaths).

The unfortunate reality is they started the booster campaign too late.

Buzzinwithbez · 19/12/2021 01:09

That's the way the nudges work....
However it could be creating a bigger problem as people who might have put off seeing older, more vulnerable family members until the new year, while they watch what happens with numbers may now rush to meet up while they can in case a lockdown comes in.

Kokeshi123 · 19/12/2021 01:25

There seems to be a lot of cancelations of office parties etc, but also a lot of resistance to the idea of a full LD and banning family members getting together and a lot of people saying they will not comply with this.

I think what is happening is that people are trying to stay negative long enough to be able to get together with relatives over Xmas and the period that comes after this.

5zeds · 19/12/2021 01:35

I really don’t understand people’s obsession with Christmas get togethers. Phone your family and tell them you love them. Go for a walk together if you must. We aren’t children unable to understand why. We can meet when it’s safer and do other things till then.

Maskless · 19/12/2021 05:10

@5zeds

I really don’t understand people’s obsession with Christmas get togethers. Phone your family and tell them you love them. Go for a walk together if you must. We aren’t children unable to understand why. We can meet when it’s safer and do other things till then.
Me neither - most especially because Christmas means nothing to the vast majority of the ones most obsessed, in that they don't follow the Christian religion. Most have not been to church for years, and don' even believe in Christ or God.

So why are they getting so upset about not seeing old rellies on Christmas Day? Go and see them, or meet up with your family all the year round.

I'm an atheist by the way. Christmas is just another day to me, I don't do anything different on that day.

AnotherOneWithNoGoodName · 19/12/2021 06:04

They can stop us meeting indoors in public places like pubs etc, but the majority of people won't stay away from family, this is obvious from people IRL and online.
Personally I live with the only family I want to see, but can understand their sentiments.

MaryBoBary · 19/12/2021 06:08

We have already put off going to the pantomime for the first time and my son having his first birthday party. I'll be so sad if he has to miss out again. He's so excited for his party, I'm just keeping my fingers crossed.

Thatldo · 19/12/2021 06:10

"Who would have thought we would be here after last years xmas".Anybody who has an understanding of science and who know a little bit of how virus history.A virus doesnt give a shit about xmas.

mum2jakie · 19/12/2021 06:11

@5zeds

I really don’t understand people’s obsession with Christmas get togethers. Phone your family and tell them you love them. Go for a walk together if you must. We aren’t children unable to understand why. We can meet when it’s safer and do other things till then.
Fair enough but most of us do choose to celebrate Christmas with family in person and it is a significant event. We had restrictions over last Christmas so many of us are hoping to make up for that this year.
Monday55 · 19/12/2021 06:13

I don't think they're going to stop Christmas gatherings. However, I'll be surprised if they don't stop NYE parties.

DockOTheBay · 19/12/2021 06:15

@5zeds

I really don’t understand people’s obsession with Christmas get togethers. Phone your family and tell them you love them. Go for a walk together if you must. We aren’t children unable to understand why. We can meet when it’s safer and do other things till then.
Yeah people might have bought that back in March 2020 "it's just 3 weeks", or in December last year "its just until we are all vaccinated" but people aren't going to buy it any more. We just have to wait until its safer, but they keep pushing back when that will be. Some people haven't seen their family for over 2 years. I'm sure they've had plenty of phone calls but that's not the same is it - especially if you have young children.
devildeepbluesea · 19/12/2021 06:21

This particular horse has long since bolted.

applesandoranges221 · 19/12/2021 06:44

I think the major shift I'm seeing (FINALLY) is people saying they won't comply and aren't ok with another 6 months in lockdown - which, let's be clear is the government's plan, regardless of any circuit break rubbish they might spout now. People are finally, finally standing up and saying no to this being life and it's giving me some hope in the darkness.

I also think they're going to struggle to hide the data on how overwhelmingly dangerous the new variant isn't once it's been peer reviewed. I really hope it doesn't lead to the sort of social unrest seen in Europe, but suspect it could. People are fed up of losing jobs/ homes/ lives so the middle class (of whom I'm one, I'm not excusing myself) can sit at home and be smugly safe.

Tubs11 · 19/12/2021 07:13

If the healthcare service of a country is heading towards breaking point then it's inevitable that country will lockdown.

Yes, death rates are still low but think about the death rates caused by other undiagnosed conditions or cancelled procedures due to lack of staff, full beds etc

They need to do something to take the pressure off and this is the obvious short term answer

You can have your life back in the Spring.

SnowIsInTheAir · 19/12/2021 07:15

There’s always a little bash the British in these threads.
It's not bashing the British for saleorbouy to describe their experience of travelling back to the UK. I am British, I recently travelled to the UK and I have to agree with: Not surprised really. On my recent visit to see family in the U.K I wad aghast at the slack attitude towards the simple basics of sanitising hands and wearing masks in shops. The attitude of a significant of shoppers I saw in the supermarket was in stark contrast to where I live.

I was shocked at the lax attitude and reluctance to wear masks, also from members of my family. There is a very different attitude where I live. It is more community minded than anywhere I've lived in the UK and people are more willing to do things for the benefit of the community rather than just for themselves. The impression we get from the press about the situation in the UK is that people are unwilling to inconvenience themselves. I don't know how much the costs of healthcare influence this. We are used to having to take personal measures to ensure we need as little treatment as possible, because we have to pay some of the costs ourselves. I am probably wording this badly, but everyone I know here is well aware that health and fitness are important in reducing our medical bills.

The schools also implement mask wearing differently. I can only speak for the school my relatives go to, but e.g. they wear masks but only in the corridors and are allowed to take them off when at their desks Confused Where's the logic in that? And there was no question of them being worn for sports. In our school, all children over 10 (school year you turn 11) wear them on school premises at all times. They are allowed to remove them outside at break time to eat and drink. They wear them in sports lessons and no contact sports are allowed. Parents are not allowed on school grounds and in after school sports clubs, swimming etc parents are not allowed in the building.

We already have some restrictions, and if there is an unvaccinated person present, the restrictions are tighter. That makes sense, and I've not heard anyone complain about it. No one is upset at the thought of carrying a Covid pass and ID because we all have to carry ID anyway.

Bunnybunny1 · 19/12/2021 07:20

I will carry on as normal regardless of what the government announcement is.

I have lost 2 grandmothers (to old age) since Covid began and the grief stings so much more knowing that their final years were cooped up in their homes with no visitors for month on end, every day the same, no-one to witness or interact with them.
To hear that this sick and twisted government were, 'one rule for the populous and another for them' last Christmas makes me sick to my stomach, and I have completely checked out of following any of their ridiculous guidelines and rules.

We are all going to get corona virus, no-one has a better idea than a capitalist model for our economy, so it will just continue to be the 'if you're paying for an experience then you're fine', if you're visiting a granny or walking with a friend you're breaking the law. Population control at its absolute most blatant. Wake up everyone!

FutureHope · 19/12/2021 07:22

@applesandoranges221

I think the major shift I'm seeing (FINALLY) is people saying they won't comply and aren't ok with another 6 months in lockdown - which, let's be clear is the government's plan, regardless of any circuit break rubbish they might spout now. People are finally, finally standing up and saying no to this being life and it's giving me some hope in the darkness.

I also think they're going to struggle to hide the data on how overwhelmingly dangerous the new variant isn't once it's been peer reviewed. I really hope it doesn't lead to the sort of social unrest seen in Europe, but suspect it could. People are fed up of losing jobs/ homes/ lives so the middle class (of whom I'm one, I'm not excusing myself) can sit at home and be smugly safe.

This.