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Massive turn in opinion…

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Normando91 · 18/12/2021 23:01

Is it just me or has opinion on a possible lockdown or circuit breaker in the coming days or week completely changed in the past 24 hours?

I hadn’t looked at Sky News in the last 2 days as it all just seemed speculation and bleak but having looked tonight it looks inevitable that we’re going to face some kind of stricter restrictions, most likely after Christmas, but possibly before.

Everyone I’ve spoke to has gone from, no we will not go into lockdown (or further restrictions) to yeah, it’s coming.

Who would have thought we’d be back here a year later from lasts Christmases shit show.

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SecretSantaSquirrels · 19/12/2021 10:33

The biggest threat to the NHS at the moment seems to be the forced isolation after contact with someone who's tested positive.
I thought they changed this to daily LFTs?
A big problem at the moment in the NHS is staff off with covid.
Not to mention other services who's staff are dropping like flies.

MrsSkylerWhite · 19/12/2021 10:36

5zeds

I really don’t understand people’s obsession with Christmas get togethers. Phone your family and tell them you love them. Go for a walk together if you must. We aren’t children unable to understand why. We can meet when it’s safer and do other things till then.“

We haven’t seen our elderly parents since December, 2019. We couldn’t see our first grandchild for 6 months, missed their first Christmas.

Our immediate family unit, 5 adults, one toddler are fully vaccinated and now boosted (except toddler, obviously). Three of us WFH, youngest back from university with negative lft, we don’t socialise at all now, wear masks indoors on essential trips like shopping and medical appointments and, again, will not be seeing elderly parents this year. We take every precaution but will absolutely not miss our grandchild’s second Christmas as well. That is very important to us.

Bedsheets4knickers · 19/12/2021 10:36

I didn't think we would be now I'm not so sure . I'm def thinking il get my son in at the barbers this week instead of waiting until he's due back at school .

Curiousmouse · 19/12/2021 10:37

Health Secretary Said today that vaccine refusers are damaging society and holding up beds needed for sick people. He has a point.

FluffyBooBoo · 19/12/2021 10:37

@covidhater

Are we going to be doing the forever it is just going around in circles
Highly unlikely. That's never been the case with any previous pandemic, so I very much doubt it will be the case for this one.
MarshaBradyo · 19/12/2021 10:39

@Curiousmouse

Health Secretary Said today that vaccine refusers are damaging society and holding up beds needed for sick people. He has a point.
The trouble is this will likely not change people’s minds

I don’t know how you do that though

Tumbleweed101 · 19/12/2021 10:39

We're in a different place this year. We have easy access to LFT and have had vaccines. They may put restrictions in place but many will feel comfortable mixing with loved ones in a way they didn't last year.

Pinkyxx · 19/12/2021 10:40

@CheshireKitten123

Tame ducks,

"The Tories aren't cancelling Christmas. The virus is cancelling Christmas for most of the world."

Some common sense at last.

Unbeknown to the keyboard warriors who continue to bash Boris, Hospitals in London are liaising with the Home Office.

When there is a major incident, the Home Office has National Emergency Mortuary Arrangements (NEMA) in place, this can provide body storage and a large mortuary facility that can be configured for up to 600 fatalities. This arrives “flat-packed” on several lorries, and needs utilities and a large area of land at ground level for assembly.

In July 2005, a temporary mortuary was set up in the grounds of the Honourable Artillery Company in central London, following the 7/7 bombings.

To date, this is the only time that the structure has been used in its entirety. The Home Office definition of mass fatality is: “Any incident where the number of fatalities is greater than normal local arrangements can manage.”

Some people need to get a sense of perspective.

Sadly, some people in the UK don't like this kind of blunt, stark reality. They prefer to focus on 'bashing Boris & the Tories' who want to spoil their freedom & fun. The virus is causing this, not the Tories, or Boris. Go hard and early - then you limit impact for maximum benefit. The problem with that in the UK is the non-compliance & ''not my problem'' attitude.

The lack of perspective is frightening, as is the disregard for human life. I am angry more isn't being done as inevitably longer, harder restrictions will be needed - that means more people are denied medical care, more people suffer mental health issues, more children will be robbed of their education, more businesses suffer.

Starcup · 19/12/2021 10:41

Highly unlikely. That's never been the case with any previous pandemic, so I very much doubt it will be the case for this one

Not forever but certainly for the coming years….

Starcup · 19/12/2021 10:42

Same shit, different year

ginnig · 19/12/2021 10:44

Health Secretary Said today that vaccine refusers are damaging society and holding up beds needed for sick people. He has a point.

I've just had my booster but dislike the above thinking. Are those holding up beds not actually sick & in need of treatment? Is a vax refuser less deserving of treatment than a triple vaxxer who ends up in a&e due to binge drinking?

TerraNovaTwo · 19/12/2021 10:45

More lockdown and will cripple the economy. Mass unemployment, agoraphobia and crime rates will soar. Domestic violence and child abuse will increase tenfold.

There have been 85 deaths from omicron so far. I think everyone needs to calm the fuck down and carry down. Hmm

cuparfull · 19/12/2021 10:45

No, No more!!!! It's just ridiculous as we have to live with this just like flu. Stay home, take antipyretics and take to our beds to rest. We are told that Omricon is less aggressive than Delta so we could treat this as a mass vaccination scenario giving us herd immunity.
The only reason the government are threatening a lockdown yet again is to protect the NHS which has been on the brink of meltdown every winter...for years.
For the past 30 years successive governments have underfunded the NHS so we have less inpatient beds than most other European countries. Its frankly a shambles and they are scared it will be overwhelmed

RedToothBrush · 19/12/2021 10:45

@Shouldbedoing

It's not a massive turn in opinion, it's a massive increase in infections.
This.

And yes I think it now more likely than not before New Year.

friendlycat · 19/12/2021 10:46

[quote Vapeyvapevape]@TameDucksAtChatsworth well said[/quote]
Absolutely well said @ TameDucks

Refreshing to see a balanced post for once

Choux · 19/12/2021 10:49

@ginnig

Health Secretary Said today that vaccine refusers are damaging society and holding up beds needed for sick people. He has a point.

I've just had my booster but dislike the above thinking. Are those holding up beds not actually sick & in need of treatment? Is a vax refuser less deserving of treatment than a triple vaxxer who ends up in a&e due to binge drinking?

They are being treatment they need but in many cases the treatment would not be needed if they had been vaccinated.

The wave of admissions could be much lower if everyone was vaccinated and then people like the PP DSis who needs what sounds like a life saving operation would not be stressing that they may not be able to have there op as there is no ICU bed available.

Being unvaccinated does not only put yourself at risk of death. It puts others with a variety of illnesses at risk of death too as the NHS can't treat all that need treatment.

panachronic · 19/12/2021 10:49

@LadyCatStark

That’s the governments plan though, drip feed us information so that we come round to the idea before they announce it.
Couldn't agree more with this assessment
Starcup · 19/12/2021 10:50

@ginnig

Health Secretary Said today that vaccine refusers are damaging society and holding up beds needed for sick people. He has a point.

I've just had my booster but dislike the above thinking. Are those holding up beds not actually sick & in need of treatment? Is a vax refuser less deserving of treatment than a triple vaxxer who ends up in a&e due to binge drinking?

The binge drinkers will be out in 24 hours though…. Though I see your point.
MrsJackWhicher · 19/12/2021 10:50

@applesandoranges221

I think the major shift I'm seeing (FINALLY) is people saying they won't comply and aren't ok with another 6 months in lockdown - which, let's be clear is the government's plan, regardless of any circuit break rubbish they might spout now. People are finally, finally standing up and saying no to this being life and it's giving me some hope in the darkness.

I also think they're going to struggle to hide the data on how overwhelmingly dangerous the new variant isn't once it's been peer reviewed. I really hope it doesn't lead to the sort of social unrest seen in Europe, but suspect it could. People are fed up of losing jobs/ homes/ lives so the middle class (of whom I'm one, I'm not excusing myself) can sit at home and be smugly safe.

This. ONE death from ‘the variant’ despite hives numbers of cases. Thank god many people have finally woken up to this and are just carrying on their lives as normal. Nothing to prevent people who are terrified from cowering at home under the duvet and leave the rest of us to actually live.
UneFoisAuChalet · 19/12/2021 10:50

@TameDucksAtChatsworth thank you, you’ve saved me the trouble of posting similar. Do people not realise the same thing is happening around the world?

ArtichokeAardvark · 19/12/2021 10:50

I'm resigned to catching it at some point. I think we all will. However I'm trying my hardest not to catch it before I see my 78 year old father this Christmas, who's recovering from lung cancer. If I get covid, I'll feel rough and then get better. He won't.

I think another lockdown is coming and I'd put money on it being announced on Boxing Day.

ginnig · 19/12/2021 10:53

@Starcup but what about alcoholics back & forth with liver problems or diabetes caused by obesity. I'm not sure we should be differentiating between who is more deserving of treatment. It makes me uncomfortable.

HoardingSamphireSaurus · 19/12/2021 10:54

ONE death isn't the point.

The many taking up hospital beds is the point.

As many, many people from MNers, to Chris Witty, Rishy Sunak and countless others who are expert in their fields have said!

And 'terrified'? Really? Such hyperbole for those who understand the need to reduce transmission etc.

inigomontoyahwillcox · 19/12/2021 10:55

Absolutely @TameDucksAtChatsworth - can't stand the tories, but the constant noise about how they're ruining the lives/livelihood/mental health/economy of the nation in bringing back restrictions is misplaced. And I say this as a restaurant owner (and immuniser on the side!).

Although their treatment of the NHS has been woeful - and they should 100% be hauled over the coals/be answerable for that.

HoardingSamphireSaurus · 19/12/2021 10:56

[quote UneFoisAuChalet]@TameDucksAtChatsworth thank you, you’ve saved me the trouble of posting similar. Do people not realise the same thing is happening around the world?[/quote]
I think many have forgotten that, or pushed it to the back of their minds, unless they ar trying to book a holida! It's not hard to do when SM, journalists etc all harp on about Boris this Boris that, as though he is the root cause of the virus itself, or is doing this on a whim, for some secret Tory plot.

Pandemic - word has meaning.