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A 2-week 'circuit breaker' could be coming after Christmas

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dancingstars · 18/12/2021 00:31

Reported by The Times and The Guardian which means another NYE stuck indoors...

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Waxonwaxoff0 · 18/12/2021 20:05

@IWannaWishYouANutNutsChristmas

I always think that those who don't want covid to be controlled must live extremely cushioned and privileged lives where they don't need to worry about what uncontrolled covid can do to people's lives and livelihoods.
"Controlling Covid" nearly made me lose my job in the first lockdown, me and many others were forced onto furlough and lost 20% of our wages. Yes, very privileged.
Kennykenkencat · 18/12/2021 20:24

I think trying to control Covid has had a devastating impact on people . We as a family all lost our work at the start of the first lockdown.
Only Dd was eligible for the furlough scheme.

All those who advocate lockdowns, would you still want a lockdown if you had to swap incomes with someone who lost their work/business because of the lockdown.

Think about how you would survive if your work finished during the first lockdown and everything you had worked for was taken away and the career you had worked hard to build you couldn’t return to
That is the reality for a lot of businesses

LittleRoundRobin · 18/12/2021 20:42

@Enzbear

The seemingly outraged but terribly unselfish, don't you know, phonies making out that they are saving the NHS/old/vulnerable are actually extremely selfish, reasonably well off, mostly middle class who are braying for a lockdown to have a bit more time at home.
preferably being paid/hoping for another payout.

But nevermind if they don't as they're alright thanks: savings in the bank, mortgage paid off, probably looking towards early retirement, barely a social life (garden centre anyone?) etc.

Don't be fooled, they are only looking out for themselves. They don't give a shit about vulnerable children or education or young people on low incomes struggling or anything but themselves.

The Telegraph have termed the phrase .. "The COVID comfortables" You can find them on this thread.

Superb (and supremely accurate) post. ^

To you, I doff my hat...

It's mainly the truly privileged who want a lockdown so desperately. The poorer/low paid/mainly working classes simply cannot AFFORD to be in lockdown again. Not EVERYBODY has the privilege of being paid when they're off. And many companies, that struggled profusely in the first and second lockdowns will go under for sure this time.

I know a number of companies local to me, who are living on borrowed time, are in a lot of debt, and are barely breaking even. Another lockdown will kill their business.

Oh to be in SUCH a privileged position that you are not remotely affected by lockdowns! What's that like pampered-and-over-privileged princesses of mumsnet? Do tell!

A 2-week 'circuit breaker' could be coming after Christmas
bumbleymummy · 18/12/2021 20:44

Did anyone else see the Twitter thread between Prof Graham Medley (sage) and Fraser Nelson (spectator)?

GoldenOmber · 18/12/2021 20:54

@bumbleymummy

Did anyone else see the Twitter thread between Prof Graham Medley (sage) and Fraser Nelson (spectator)?
I did, that was interesting.

I do feel that by itself modelling only the bad scenarios is fine, if the question you are commissioned to answer is “if worst-case assumptions are true then what will happen and how do we stop it?”. But the way in which it gets presented to the public (by media? Government? Members of SAGE?”) is “look, SAGE says this will happen so SAGE is warning that we have to avoid it by doing such-and-such.” Not really brilliant for public trust and confidence, is it?

Donenow1 · 18/12/2021 20:55

Both husband and I are CEV.... We followed all the bloody rules but by Christ although I didn't report them I barely have any time for my fucking neighbours who had people round during lockdown. If they come down with Covid there'll be no help from me. I'd rather help the 80 year old over the back who's daughter lives some distance away...

bumbleymummy · 18/12/2021 20:59

Exactly @GoldenOmber It makes perfect sense to model these scenarios but they shouldn’t be presented as the only or most likely scenario when other, less pessimistic scenarios are probable.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 18/12/2021 21:34

@Enzbear

The seemingly outraged but terribly unselfish, don't you know, phonies making out that they are saving the NHS/old/vulnerable are actually extremely selfish, reasonably well off, mostly middle class who are braying for a lockdown to have a bit more time at home, preferably being paid/hoping for another payout but nevermind if they don't as they're alright thanks: savings in the bank, mortgage paid off, probably looking towards early retirement, barely a social life (garden centre anyone?) etc. Don't be fooled, they are only looking out for themselves.They don't give a shit about vulnerable children or education or young people on low incomes struggling or anything but themselves. The Telegraph have termed the phrase "The COVID comfortables" You can find them on this thread.
Totally agree
drainitallout · 18/12/2021 21:45

@bumbleymummy

Did anyone else see the Twitter thread between Prof Graham Medley (sage) and Fraser Nelson (spectator)?
Can you link to it please?
AlecTrevelyan006 · 18/12/2021 21:47

@bumbleymummy

Did anyone else see the Twitter thread between Prof Graham Medley (sage) and Fraser Nelson (spectator)?
Now turned into an article on Spectator

www.spectator.co.uk/article/my-twitter-conversation-with-the-chairman-of-the-sage-covid-modelling-committee

bumbleymummy · 18/12/2021 21:51

Thanks Alec. Was just about to link. Easier to read in the article. :)

PartyPrawnRingGames · 18/12/2021 22:10

The seemingly outraged but terribly unselfish, don't you know, phonies making out that they are saving the NHS/old/vulnerable are actually extremely selfish, reasonably well off, mostly middle class who are braying for a lockdown to have a bit more time at home, preferably being paid/hoping for another payout but nevermind if they don't as they're alright thanks: savings in the bank, mortgage paid off, probably looking towards early retirement, barely a social life (garden centre anyone?) etc.
Don't be fooled, they are only looking out for themselves.They don't give a shit about vulnerable children or education or young people on low incomes struggling or anything but themselves.
The Telegraph have termed the phrase
"The COVID comfortables"

Maybe so but since when did The Telegraph and the Tory backbenchers who oppose lockdown so vehemently represent the vulnerable children and low paid young people? Let's not forget who is pulling strings in the media.

Emilyontmoor · 18/12/2021 23:11

The seemingly outraged but terribly unselfish, don't you know, phonies making out that they are saving the NHS/old/vulnerable are actually extremely selfish, reasonably well off, mostly middle class who are braying for a lockdown to have a bit more time at home, preferably being paid/hoping for another payout but nevermind if they don't as they're alright thanks: savings in the bank, mortgage paid off, probably looking towards early retirement, barely a social life (garden centre anyone?) etc.

Don’t talk chip on the shoulder crap, the people falling like flies to omichron in London are twenty somethings working on the frontline not just in offices, food, hospitality and entertainment but the NHS and the fire service and the people calling for lockdown are their bosses, and, yes, their safer parents . It’s a public health crisis, it doesn’t fit with anyone’s chips, prejudices and political agendas

TherapyClient · 18/12/2021 23:12

@Bunnyfuller

Cheese and wine after work meetings ok tho? Asking for a friend…
😆
Kennykenkencat · 18/12/2021 23:13

Does anyone take any notice of SAGE. They have been so wrong with all their forecasts I don’t know why they are even asked to model anything.

If they are modelling worse case scenarios have they added in all the extra suicides, murders, deaths, failed businesses, lost jobs, home losses that could occur if the government take their advice and do lock down. Leaving those out isn’t really giving a true picture of what a lockdown would truly look like

Gwenhwyfar · 18/12/2021 23:31

"know anyone that's had TB ? no me neither."

Yes, I do actually. Not vaccinated, but that's irrelevant because the TB vaccine isn't that great anyway, a bit hit and miss. There's loads of TB in certain parts of the world and every now and then we get outbreaks in the UK too. You're really mistaken if you think it's disappeared.

Emilyontmoor · 18/12/2021 23:32

If they are modelling worse case scenarios have they added in all the extra suicides, murders, deaths, failed businesses, lost jobs, home losses that could occur if the government take their advice and do lock down. Leaving those out isn’t really giving a true picture of what a lockdown would truly look like

Yes. Of course they are, it is their job to gather all the evidence and present it to government with analysis. I am sure they are presenting plenty of evidence about the percentage of people who will behave like headless chickens and either ignore the evidence or want to get one on the partying Tories too. Hopefully all the impacts on mental health of being left in the way of a nasty virus and losing your livelihood beachside people are just not going out.

Emilyontmoor · 18/12/2021 23:33

Because not beachside

TheScenicWay · 18/12/2021 23:46

That Spectator article is shocking.
It confirms what many of us believe.

eastegg · 18/12/2021 23:53

@Whichjab

Banning mixing indoors (or threatening to do so) is a crap idea IMHO as I and I know many others are having a late Christmas with our older relatives so that the kids have 10 days clear of school. To encourage people to rush to meet in this next week would be a bad idea.
This is an excellent point. I think people in this position should go ahead and do it tbh. And I’m really not a rule breaker.
TheKeatingFive · 19/12/2021 00:09

That Spectator article is shocking.
It confirms what many of us believe.

Yeah 😱

Emilyontmoor · 19/12/2021 00:22

That Spectator article is shocking.
It confirms what many of us believe.
It really doesn’t. Sometimes you model threats you need to overcome, and sometimes opportunities but this was always a threat, the extent was the issue.

M

U.K. e you model threat

herecomesthsun · 19/12/2021 00:38

@Gwenhwyfar

"know anyone that's had TB ? no me neither."

Yes, I do actually. Not vaccinated, but that's irrelevant because the TB vaccine isn't that great anyway, a bit hit and miss. There's loads of TB in certain parts of the world and every now and then we get outbreaks in the UK too. You're really mistaken if you think it's disappeared.

my dad had TB in the 60s (treated in the UK)

I know of someone who had it a couple of years ago (also UK)

giggly · 19/12/2021 01:40

@Crimsonripple

It's not selfish to want to live again and without this bullshit hanging over us. The NHS haven't been burdened this year like the first lockdown where they Tories massively fucked up with the PPE and delayed lockdown!

Everything indicating to Omicron is just a bloody cold. Do we lock down for every fucking sniffle going forward? I'm sorry but I'm equally as pissed off we're here again! This is just another form of flu which people didn't isolate with! Time for the world to get a grip and move forward!

I’m sorry have I missed something in my NHS workplace over the last year Hmm horrendous waiting lists and staff in my area being asked to do overtime every week to try and reduce these lists just slightly. So yes the NHS was and remains burdened by COVID
Mummyoflittledragon · 19/12/2021 01:54

@BenjiMcSchmenzie
@SpookyScarySkeletons

I’m sorry you’re both also struggling. Life can be so hard. Flowers