A 2-week 'circuit breaker' could be coming after Christmas

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Reported by The Times and The Guardian which means another NYE stuck indoors...

Anyhow, back to the point- I doubt a lot of people will listen, so not much point in trying to impose it over NY. (sadly, as my neighbours are dicks and will be playing music well into the very early hours)

Not your selfish thoughts of your New Years Eve being cancelled. It is our hospitals and their staff that will suffer from overcrowding with this new variant. Quit being selfish

Selfish, selfish, selfish.

That word has gotten so fucking boring now.

@IWannaWishYouANutNutsChristmas The Netherlands have been locked down before, or have certainly had restrictions harsher and for longer than we have. Eg they are currently under a 5pm curfew and have been for several weeks, and are limited to gatherings of three

Its being called a circuit breaker because no politician wants to be the first to mention yet another fucking lockdown

Two weeks to flatten the curve. Hilarious.

Well we're having an early Jan faux-Christmas with my family and I wouldn't miss it because there was a circuit breaker. I'm just not complying with this crap again 🤷‍♀️

Everyone has their own anxieties and disappointments. It's not helpful to call people selfish. My son is supposed to be having an operation in early January and I'm so worried it will be cancelled, mainly because I have prepared him for it (he's 5). The uncertainty of everything is what I find hard.

It's not selfish to want to live again and without this bullshit hanging over us. The NHS haven't been burdened this year like the first lockdown where they Tories massively fucked up with the PPE and delayed lockdown!

Everything indicating to Omicron is just a bloody cold. Do we lock down for every fucking sniffle going forward? I'm sorry but I'm equally as pissed off we're here again! This is just another form of flu which people didn't isolate with! Time for the world to get a grip and move forward!

@GoldenOmber

I am puzzled.

Either: omicron will slow down its rate of growth over the next 2 weeks with just the measures we’ve got now, without needing anything further.

Or: the measures we have now won’t slow it. So it’ll keep on doubling every 2 days. At which point, by the time we get to the 27th/28th when this is due to start, it will have infected most of the population and numbers will be dropping anyway.

How do you get to 'most of the population' by 27th/28th? The Omicron peak was predicted for January I thought.

Also it could be a bit of both, surely, so the measures in place now will slow it a bit, but not enough and further measures will be required to slow it further.

@Crimsonripple

It's not selfish to want to live again and without this bullshit hanging over us. The NHS haven't been burdened this year like the first lockdown where they Tories massively fucked up with the PPE and delayed lockdown!

Everything indicating to Omicron is just a bloody cold. Do we lock down for every fucking sniffle going forward? I'm sorry but I'm equally as pissed off we're here again! This is just another form of flu which people didn't isolate with! Time for the world to get a grip and move forward!

There is so much false information in this post!

1. The NHS has been under sustained pressure and ICU is currently at 96% capacity
2. There is no evidence Omicron is 'just a cold' - the data on severity that we do have points to it being slightly less severe, but the high case rates make it more problematic
3. WTF does 'move forward' mean? Leave the NHS to get overwhelmed so there is a wider health shutdown - how does that impact all other conditions such as cancer, heart attacks etc?

But schools to return?! grasps a glimmer of hope....

Ffs. I hardly have a life due to illness and disability. I’m supposed to be seeing family for new year. The family I didn’t get to see at Christmas. I’ve really had enough now. I’ve been in a body created 10 year lockdown. For most of you it’s been fleeting in comparison. Where is the joy I’m my fucking life? Just a world of fucking pain and struggles.

@Crimsonripple it's a cold for most but a small percentage still end up in hospital and a small percentage ofseveral million will block up all the hospitals. Leading to crisis.
God if they shut the schools again I will cry.

Something has to be done,my granddaughter has just caught Covid despite being vaccinated fortunately she is fine, but it does make you you wonder just how much efficacy the vaccines have.

[quote PieMistee]@Crimsonripple it's a cold for most but a small percentage still end up in hospital and a small percentage ofseveral million will block up all the hospitals. Leading to crisis.
God if they shut the schools again I will cry.[/quote]
Who are most of the people ending up in hospital? Are we talking vaccinated people of working age or vaccine refusers or people with terminal illnesses and the like?

There comes a point for those of us for which, once vaccinated , Covid IS a cold or flu refuse to curtail years of our lives and our children’s lives (and I don’t even have children) to protect people we don’t know. Yes it will be shit for health care workers but I find it hard to care anymore. We’re all exhausted.

Yes, it’s selfish but we’ve sacrificed so much already and most of us have had enough.

Who cares, they can't police everyone indoors and I have budgeted for any fines anyway

It will have a huge effect on everyone though if the hospitals are no longer able to offer care .

If Omicron is such a disaster - why are the numbers in South Africa for both new cases and hospital intensive care cases reasonably low now?

It's like it has all peaked there already.

I know we have an older population etc but still.

Sorry @Mummyoflittledragon Hope you get your New Years celebration.

So punishing all the people who have to work over Christmas and hold their Christmas Day celebrations a few days later

They should have done more to invest in the nhs so we could cope with hospitalisations (not deaths note). And before anything says anything they have had enough time to mitigate some of the pressures on the NHS. And if people do lfts I don’t think they will comply with not seeing friends and family/

It's also summer in South Africa, cases will of course be lower then.

Let's do the maths

17th let's be optimistic and say 200k cases per day with a 2 day doubling time
19th 400k
21st 800k
23rd 1.6million
25th 3.2milllion
27th 6.4million

So by 27th 12million people in the UK will already have it, before you even consider the fact people will just ignore him after last year it kind of makes a look down pointless. UK population is 67million

29th 12.8million (24million)
1st January 25.6million (49.6million)

Now the rate will likely start to slow as more and more people isolate so those numbers are unlikely. But I hope/suspect he's going to slash isolation for the infected & hopefully shield the vulnerable not lock us down again.

At the end of the day looking at those numbers it's safer for us as a group of 31 year olds to all go the pub for Xmas than have granny round for turkey.

3) WTF does 'move forward' mean? Leave the NHS to get overwhelmed so there is a wider health shutdown - how does that impact all other conditions such as cancer, heart attacks etc?

My position is that if this were to happen, it's the NHS's job to start triaging by "vaccine refusal status" as an emergency measure, and in the meantime build up healthcare capacity for next winter. The UK cannot go on like this year after year.