A 2-week 'circuit breaker' could be coming after Christmas

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Reported by The Times and The Guardian which means another NYE stuck indoors...

Yelling not telling

@LadyIckenham please note the use of not many and most in my post.

@ftw163532

Other vaccines do stop you catching a disease- know anyone that's had TB ? no me neither.

Uh, I do and I hate to break it to you but the BCG is only really effective in kids and wears off by adulthood. You can be infected with TB even if you were vaccinated. That's why we stopped vaccinating teenagers because it wasn't very effective.

Lots of people still get TB. Your hospital will have a TB team.

There's enough stigma that people probably wouldn't tell you they had it.

WRONG. BCG vaccination lasts at least 20 years www.theguardian.com/science/2017/aug/31/tb-vaccine-bcg-effective-for-twice-as-long-as-previously-thought-study

@Happypootler

I know you can be reinfected nutnuts but if you got through it once without medical help, you are surely very unlikely to take up a hospital bed for a second infection.

So the unvaxxed, once infected and recovered, cease to be a massive issue, don't they?

I don't know of any data that says that would be the case.

[quote drainitallout]@Mumadof3 ok you may not be ready to have the vaccine now, but it's just not true that your natural immunity is superior to any vaccine. This is a new virus. Your body has no idea how to fight it. You have no idea if your body will cope well and you'll be asymptomatic/ mildly affected, or if you'll get really ill.
That's the stark reality of remaining unvaccinated I'm afraid. [/quote]
Urm and who are you? I think I will listen to my gp over you thank you. Who would you listen to some randomer on mumsnet that you dont know is even who they say they are. Or a gp who you know very well and has your best interests at heart ? The Spanish flu ended how ? Go and have a read.

I dont think my gp would tell me something she doesnt think to be true and put me at risk but for arguments sake what happens if shes just trying to stop me having a break down even more? And leaving me to calm down first and you've come on and directly replied to me when I've explained in great detail my struggles and said I've just started taken meds and hope to be more calm to be able to be vaccinated in the new year. But no your scared it could turn out natrual immunity is pretty fucking good! I've written what my gp has said so you feel the need to respond and try and tell me I'm wrong instead of just scrolling past and seeing that I'm vulnerable right now? Everything you've just said is pointless as its plastered over mumsnet over and over again. I just wanted to give people that say unvaxxed deserve to die shouldn't get care are this and that another perspective so they can try and have a bit of empathy for people at least.

Going by all the data coming from Africa right now that people previously infected by previous variants or vaccinated have had mild symptoms with this varient makes it look pretty promising though you have to admit that at least. We just dont know yet remember but we will in a few weeks and as me and my kids are staying in now and taking advantage of our massively big beautiful garden, dp off work over xmas all currently not ill so I think I have time to wait and see what the data says in a few weeks. I really hope you can see and understand how some peoples brains cant cope right now.
My mums triple jabbed I encouraged her btw I'm not againsted them all meds come with a risk however with those we know of all the risks and give consent to take them

@TheKeatingFive

I hate all this why should I follow the rules if the government didn’t

You can hate it all you like, but it doesn't change the facts.

The government have underfunded the nhs for years and have done bugger to bolster it to deal with this crisis despite having 22 months to do so.

They'd prefer to shut the country down instead and push the burden onto ordinary people and their lives and livelihoods. While having absolutely no intention of following rules themselves.

You can hardly be surprised if people stop playing ball with this.

Sorry, how will not adhering to additional measures to mitigate against covid help the situation?

Even if the government has realised that it’s underfunded the NHS grossly over 10+ years, as I said earlier, even giving them all the money today isn’t going to solve the issue we face this very moment. We need to do something this week - and we can’t magic up a fully funded NHS by the morning. So we can only do what can be achieved. Keeping people apart temporarily to slow transmission would be a short term measure which could have an immediate effect.

Not complying would be a massive cutting off of noses to spite faces, as it would make the situation even worse than it is now.

I don’t know what the answer is.
But let’s just say a new variant occurs every winter:
Would we go through this every Xmas time?
Would this be the end of Xmas parties, pantomimes, nativity plays?
Would we bhave lock downs every time cases increase?
What about the knock on effects of domestic violence, children’s education, people’s livelihoods, mental health, other non covid heath issues?

Too many questions that there are no answers for....

The seemingly outraged but terribly unselfish, don't you know, phonies making out that they are saving the NHS/old/vulnerable are actually extremely selfish, reasonably well off, mostly middle class who are braying for a lockdown to have a bit more time at home, preferably being paid/hoping for another payout but nevermind if they don't as they're alright thanks: savings in the bank, mortgage paid off, probably looking towards early retirement, barely a social life (garden centre anyone?) etc.
Don't be fooled, they are only looking out for themselves.They don't give a shit about vulnerable children or education or young people on low incomes struggling or anything but themselves.
The Telegraph have termed the phrase

"The COVID comfortables"
You can find them on this thread.

Even if the government has realised that it’s underfunded the NHS grossly over 10+ years, as I said earlier, even giving them all the money today isn’t going to solve the issue we face this very moment.

No, but until people stop complying with lockdowns, they will continue with their lazy and entitled tactics. Without ever once considering the costs of lockdowns to ordinary people. So people are calling take over and rightly so.

I always think that those who don't want covid to be controlled must live extremely cushioned and privileged lives where they don't need to worry about what uncontrolled covid can do to people's lives and livelihoods.

I'm not a ' covid comfortable' not at all !
I worry about the young, the little ones , the economy, mental Heath issues etc
It is just shit.

@Happypootler

I wonder how many of the unvaxxed population haven't already had covid? If they have had it, and recovered, they're unlikely to be a burden to the NHS the second time round. So surely we must be talking about a group that's shrinking in size?

I can see both sides of this although the tone of some pro-lockdown posters sets my teeth on edge. You're not the voice of reason, or public spirit, you're just expressing a particular viewpoint, which is as likely to be motivated by self interest (health anxiety) as anybody else on here.

No, not necessarily a shrinking group.

People may develop health issues as time passes, so they may less fit/healthy the second time they catch it.

Viral load is said to be important. Someone previously with covid could have been barely affected if they'd had a very low viral load, but next time, their viral load may be much higher, meaning possibly higher risk of serious problems.

@the80sweregreat

I'm not a ' covid comfortable' not at all ! I worry about the young, the little ones , the economy, mental Heath issues etc It is just shit.

Of course I think pp was stirring

@Happypootler I did, thanks, I can read. Just pointing out it's not unheard of.

Am sure the majority won't be seriously ill , just like my eldest DD who tested positive on Weds and has no symptoms.

Keeping people apart temporarily to slow transmission would be a short term measure which could have an immediate effect.

It could possibly (although tbh at the speed omicron is spreading I don't think by much). But if you want people to get behind "three weeks to flatten the curve" after two years of this, that's going to be a very, very hard thing to pitch, because loads of the population just aren't going to believe it any more.

I don’t think people’s compliance with lockdowns will last too much though will it?
Especially when people aren’t getting paid. It’s going to be like that film Back To The Future Part 2, you know when Marty goes to the alternative, nightmare Hill Valley....

The Telegraph was stirring.

@IWannaWishYouANutNutsChristmas

I always think that those who don't want covid to be controlled must live extremely cushioned and privileged lives where they don't need to worry about what uncontrolled covid can do to people's lives and livelihoods.

Or they’re worrying about what ‘controlling covid’ will do to peoples lives abc livelihoods.

On the other hand, back in March 2020, I thought, how are they going to get the ideas behind pandemic management over to people?

Surely it will be to difficult for people to understand quickly enough to put in place?

I think the Public Health messaging has been very effective, in fact.

And a lot - a lot- of people would comply, even though some wouldn't.

People have listened and followed safety measures really carefully throughout this.

The truth hurts

@IWannaWishYouANutNutsChristmas

I always think that those who don't want covid to be controlled must live extremely cushioned and privileged lives where they don't need to worry about what uncontrolled covid can do to people's lives and livelihoods.

I would like it to be 'controlled' in the sense of there being a lot less of it. I would also like it to be eliminated. I would like every other dangerous infectious disease to be eliminated too, while we're at.

But we can't do all these things just because we want to be able to. Some things are not within the power of humans to do, even with all the technology and government laws at our disposal. We have tried and tried and we have surely learned this by now.

We have vaccines, and they will probably save millions of lives. We have treatments. They won't make covid go away and leave us alone, but neither will anything else, and it is entirely pointless to tear apart society and the economy by endlessly searching for the one set of 'Sensible Measures' which would achieve the impossible.

(Remember a few months ago, when this board was full of people going "just look at the low cases in Western Europe, they've shown it can be done, why can't we learn from their sensible Vaccines Plus (tm) approach?" That aged well, didn't it...)

@Enzbear

The truth hurts

What's happening in football and the hospitality industry at the moment adversely affects a lot of people.

As does the limited ambulance and fire service in London

(For those of you who live in ivory towers)

I don’t buy the ivory tower stuff it’s just another angle - and a way to get at people.

*What's happening in football and the hospitality industry at the moment adversely affects a lot of people.

As does the limited ambulance and fire service in London

(For those of you who live in ivory towers)*

If only people could use a bit more common sense, of the sort often shown by the MP for the 19th century.

Covid has changed the lives of all of us, even if just the lockdown.
I know a few people who retired 4/5 years early and sold their houses and moved to another part of the country to start their retirement.
Other people who changed jobs.
A few people, and I don’t mean this in an unkind way, probably have done well from covid, but they were probably well off before hand anyway.
For the majority of us though, it’s is been awful.