A 2-week 'circuit breaker' could be coming after Christmas

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Reported by The Times and The Guardian which means another NYE stuck indoors...

Too late. It's out of control NOW and Christmas is a week away.

Maybe the cabinet just meet everyday now? 'Cobra' only stands for cabinet office briefing room anyway , it's hardly MI6 is it ??
Sage have drawn up their plans , but it's not any good if the government are not on board ( because they know that people won't follow it anyway !)

'A circuit breakers just kicks it down the road, what's the point? '

Well that is the point, it takes the foot of the pedal as it were thus allowing the nhs to be able to function.

@the80sweregreat

Sky news had to say sorry , it's not a cobra meeting today about any circuit breakers , but just about data.

A lockdown would be absolutely pointless now.

Omicron is everywhere. In every shop, building, possibly household. We can’t stop transmission anymore. I experienced symptoms with 3 days of exposure. The only beneficial thing would now be to reduce the isolation period to keep the country on its feet. Most people are pretty much recovered after 48 hours so if they feel well enough, why not go back to work?

Other vaccines do stop you catching a disease- know anyone that's had TB ? no me neither.

Uh, I do and I hate to break it to you but the BCG is only really effective in kids and wears off by adulthood. You can be infected with TB even if you were vaccinated. That's why we stopped vaccinating teenagers because it wasn't very effective.

Lots of people still get TB. Your hospital will have a TB team.

There's enough stigma that people probably wouldn't tell you they had it.

@JaniieJones

'A circuit breakers just kicks it down the road, what's the point? '

Well that is the point, it takes the foot of the pedal as it were thus allowing the nhs to be able to function.

But if Omicron is as transmissible as the experts suggest then having a two week circuit breaker probably saves you a day or two at best.

It’s simply not worth the time, money or effort.

I won't change my plans anyway and a lot of people will just ignore another lockdown too.

I’m not adhering to another lockdown. Dd might have to as she works in an industry that may be forced to close (they are closed due to sickness anyway). If they close schools and colleges Ds can invite his friends round and they can do online classes together. I’ll gladly pay any fines, it’s worth it to avoid the mental health costs the last couple have years have taken.

The government are under immense pressure from Sage and the hospitality sectors who would demand money if there was any kind of circuit breaker. This money had run out .. they know a ' circuit breaker ' isn't popular , generally ( only with the scientists and maybe a few people )
Plus most people wouldn't do it.

What can they do ? They have denied that today's meeting isn't anything to do with more restrictions, which makes me think that it might be ? I don't know , does anyone know?
The news is a bit muddled today.

I hate the not knowing. Wish they'd come out with it!

@WoodenReindeer

I hate the not knowing. Wish they'd come out with it!

I don’t want it I’ll take any glimmer it won’t happen atm

Other vaccines do stop you catching a disease- know anyone that's had TB ? no me neither.*

My ds had mumps because that is only about 80%effective, lots of people get flu every year , cholera and Typhoid both need regular updates.I didn't realise until last year that the Whopping cough vaccine only lasts 10 years.

@sweetgingercat

For everyone pissed off with the government for its hypocrisy, you are not wrong! And the effective remedy for that is to punish them where it hurts most - not to vote for them again.

But this is a public health emergency. And it requires a different response. We need to protect vulnerable people and our health service. Otherwise people who have a heart attack, stroke, car accident or other life-risking events over the festive season and beyond may not receive the treatment they need.

If you refuse to lockdown in response to No 10 transgressions, then you are only hurting people Boris Johnson and the rest of his government couldn't give two fucks about.

That’s why he needs to go and now !!!

There was a poll…I’ll have to find it later. It was in the press/news about 3 days ago. I don’t know how accurate it is but it suggests a majority are in favour of a two week lockdown. I think MN is a bit of an echo chamber sometimes.

I think they will and it will be utterly shit, pointless and extended for longer. It’s never 2 weeks.

The horror stories about what 'could happen' in the NHS have been happening all year anyway. DFiL waited for an ambulance on the floor of his care home for 5 hours in November after a fall. Another family emergency earlier in the year (and it was genuinely an emergency) no ambulance turned up at all.

A few weeks ago I called an ambulance for a man collapsed in the street and they wouldn't send one out because he was conscious rather than out cold. So yes, things could get even worse in the NHS. However they are already abysmal.

Also the effectiveness of a 2 week circuit breaker being relies on certainty of timing, which we don't have. Any miscalculations or unpredictable behaviour of the virus means the timing is off, and will likely extend beyond 2 weeks. Some chaos could be avoided by scrapping the 10 day isolation.

I also think case numbers will drop off because realistically who's going to test now?

I won't be listening and nobody I know will either. I've not got many years left, already deteriorated in these last 2 years, so I won't be staying in on my own in a one up one down house.
I've had my jabs, the second making me end up in hospital, I take lateral flow tests and good with hand hygiene. People need to decide what they're comfortable doing.

@Comefromaway

I’m not adhering to another lockdown. Dd might have to as she works in an industry that may be forced to close (they are closed due to sickness anyway). If they close schools and colleges Ds can invite his friends round and they can do online classes together. I’ll gladly pay any fines, it’s worth it to avoid the mental health costs the last couple have years have taken.

I agree. I'd rather not be here than do 4 months of lockdown like last year. Because let's be honest it won't be 2 weeks.

@Itisasecret

There was a poll…I’ll have to find it later. It was in the press/news about 3 days ago. I don’t know how accurate it is but it suggests a majority are in favour of a two week lockdown. I think MN is a bit of an echo chamber sometimes.

I think they will and it will be utterly shit, pointless and extended for longer. It’s never 2 weeks.

Who are these people they are asking ? , most I know are against it . Saying that through a lot would comply reluctantly because most of us are law abiding but still a waste of time and farcical too .

If we looked at the raw data without all the emotive language from those in the public eye and news articles, we would be less panicked.
I’m amazed when I read some articles. They are full of words that instil fear and worry.
Really analyse the articles the next time you read one.
Really listen to what politicians are saying and pick out the words that make you feel uncomfortable.
In a crisis, a government should reassure and engage but instead we are manipulated into fear and obedience.

It has yet to reach other demographics in London let alone the rest of the country

I'm not sure that works with the reported transmissability of Omicron, or with Javid's assertion that 20 times the reported numbers are infected (and he must be telling the truth musn't he? )
Obviously it'll increase everywhere up to the peak, but government can't have it both ways though god knows they try

As for "they could have spent these 2 years/the money that went to cronies increasing NHS capacity", for some of us this is yet more proof they've no such intention and that their real aim is cashing in massively by selling it off

Last year I was called a conspiracy theorist, a nutter and worse for suggesting that ... funny how nobody's saying it any more isn't it?

I suppose its all well and good saying 'I'm not doing it' 'I won't be complying' but if things are shut, what choice do you have? You can't go to a closed pub or shop. Of course you can do what you like in your own home, but you'll be forced not to do some things, simply by them just not being available.

That’s why he needs to go and now !!!

People need to be careful what they wish for. His successor would almost certainly be more to the right, not less.

Of course you can do what you like in your own home, but you'll be forced not to do some things, simply by them just not being available.

I'm in ROI and in the last lockdown loads of beauty / hair places were open on the quiet and even some pubs. During the summer lockdown there were raves in barns and that kind of thing.

With every passing lockdown the black market booms a little bit more.

@TokyoSushi

I suppose its all well and good saying 'I'm not doing it' 'I won't be complying' but if things are shut, what choice do you have? You can't go to a closed pub or shop. Of course you can do what you like in your own home, but you'll be forced not to do some things, simply by them just not being available.

The suggestion seems to be socialisation mostly, ie indoor homes

Maybe eating outside at restaurant- although that is quite odd really

Seems this is flimsier than initially thought as a goer anyway