Why does it feel like Wuhan have got off lightly

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No mention of how Covid started anymore. reckon it was made in a lab and the experiment went wrong. Why won’t they just admit it. Not that anyone can do anything now but so many people have died. All those lost love ones. Relatives, people that have had Covid and long Covid suffers should get compensation I say

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I'm asking again, what exactly is stopping the UK from inventing and manufacturing our own LFTs?[/quote]
Nothing. The ones I have got are made by Siemens, that well known Chinese company.

@ChocolateDeficitDisorder

Spanish Flu started in the US.

Have they compensated other countries yet?

The origin of the Spanish Flu is still recorded as unknown. Indeed it was first identified as as a new influenza strain in 1918 at a U.S. Army camp in Kansas but there had been many "flu cases" prior to it being specifically identified and it certainly doesn't mean it started there.

The European countries were somewhat preoccupied with the whole First World War thing to be bothered about identifying a new flu strain.

Theories on its origins range from Chinese labourers brought in by both the British and US military, pigs kept at the US base (the theory you raised), British colonial troops etc etc

But there is no definitive origin just as there will be no definitive origin for Covid.

Yes but possibly arriving on frozen food packaging into of all places on earth oh..Wuhan! That's not really inspiring confidence in "The Science" right now.

I'm not saying it's impossible but it has the air of throwing up flak.

Imagine being the person responsible for that fuck up!

Suggesting that lab workers in China snuck out lab animals to sell for meat is absolutely ludicrous and frankly - rascist.

It's far more likely to have been an accident. These are extremely common in labs.

I am not sure China should compensate the world, that would set a precedent for all sorts of things for all sorts of reasons and I also think Fauci and the US have a responsibility anyway with the gain of function research going on in China as apparently it was banned in the US by Obama. So it was a loophole that the US actively tried to get around ( moving the experiments out of the US)
Anyway this type of research should be immediately banned and to take part in it a crime.
Scientists are not always good people doing good things and even if the intention starts off “good” it doesn’t mean it will stay that way.

Lab leaks do seem very common worryingly, didn’t mad cow disease escape from a lab?
It’s the gain of function research that is also the problem

If there was a lab leak, eventually there will be be an information leak, I think, and the sequence of events leading up to the pandemic will become clearer. But it will take time. For the moment, those who know something are too frightened of draconian punishments to speak out and some might not even realise the significance of the seemingly innocuous snippet of knowledge they do have because information flow is so controlled.

Did Wuhan, or China for that matter, get off lightly from the disease point of view? China is relatively ‘Covid naive’ if the statistics are to be believed. This means the people there are also more vulnerable if a new highly transmissible mutation, like Omicron, turns up and previously successful containment strategies fail. Getting off lightly early on might mean doing worse later, particularly before a pan-coronavirus vaccine has been developed.

If Chris Whitty is right, South Africa having a large pool of people who have survived natural infection may be behind the apparent mildness of Omicron in that population, rather than it being intrinsically more benign.

It reminds me of the way isolated indigenous tribes are susceptible to getting seriously ill from the common cold.

@SequinsandStiIettos

No mention of how Covid started anymore It's literally just been in the news after Harvard scientist Dr Alina Chan's comments to the Science and Technology Select Committee. She basically said it was likely China genetically engineered it then covered it up.

Yes but why is this not a number one topic? I mean an engineered virus..... surely we'd want to know what the implications of this tempered with virus are? Does it evolve like 'normal' virus? Was it an accident? What did the intend to do with this experiment? So many questions?

@OutwiththeOutCrowd

'Trust the science' is an awful mantra. It fosters complacency.

Adopting a scientific attitude is all about asking questions, being sceptical and thinking critically and independently. But ‘the Science’, as in ‘we are following the Science’ is a political coopting of science, which shuts down debate and demands the trust of the populace.

And then, paradoxically, sceptical, questioning voices are declared anti-science or ignorant of science.

Excellent post! I t needs shouting from the rooftops or on Twitter.

So if engineered, does this potential mean that we can never ver be immune and that the pandemic will tea with us for evermore?

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I just think the rest of the world have let them off so they don't start world war 3.

My belief all along is that the virus (along with others) was being developed in labs in China (maybe funded by US but it won't be just them) in preparation for the next world war which, it is widely believed, will not be fought with military weapons but with biological warfare.

The release of the virus, deliberate or otherwise, was a fantastic opportunity for governments around the world to evaluate in real life how the best way to deal with this in a war situation. Rather than scientists pontificating with spreadsheets and graphs and maybes and coulds, suddenly there is a world population of lab rats just waiting to be tested, analysed and evaluated. The virus can't be stopped and no sane government would pass up this chance! It would explain the widely different approaches so many countries have taken to trying to control the spread of the virus.

It's must also have given a fascinating psychological insight into how various populations and sub sections of those populations react to news/propaganda/threats/promises etc etc. How much more effective will governments make their health warnings or scare mongering tactics in the future (not just the UK government ,)

Wuhan citizens suffered a great deal at the beginning of the pandemic. In fact restrictions in China are still much stricter than here .

Wuhan.got off lightly is a meaningless, lazy and even possibly racist statement. Even if Covid was engineed in Wuhan, how is that the fault of 'Wuhan'? Do you blame the entire city ?

Wuhan citizens did not get off lightly and neither have the rest of the Chinese population.

The Chinese government may well be lying about things and some scientists who happen to work in Wuhan may have fucked up . We don't know and may never really know . Either way none of it is the fault of ' Wuhan'

If you read papers from the World Economic Forum you'll see it refers to an outbreak resulting in shut downs of economies, inflating away govt debt and then universal basic income, owning nothing, renting everything and lately how this is the only opportunity to initiate the great reset.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977_Russian_flu

Your regular reminder that it is generally believed (ie, mainstream normal opinion) that the 1977 flu may very well have escaped from a laboratory.

There is nothing unusual about lab leaks, they have happened loads of times.

@Delectable But then people say that’s a conspiracy theory? 🤷🏻‍♀️

@SantaHappySanta Having being ill
with it since March 2020 and feeling like the old me will never return, I’d love to know if this will ever end. It definitely hasn’t felt like anything natural in my body

I agree.
But I also think there is more going on than we know about.
I think countries aren't diplomatically boycotting the Winter Olympics because of human rights - I think it's because of covid.
If you feel similar, stop buying plastic crap from Amazon or shoddy furniture from wayfair (usually made in China) and spend your money elsewhere.

If it was deliberate by China, for what reason?

*If it was deliberate by China, for what reason?

*So that they could swoop in afterwards and buy up whatever's left?

To be clear I'm not suggesting it was deliberate, only that this would be a clear motive

Those claiming it was deliberate by China. So you're saying that the Chinese government controls the UK government's actions? It's strange that China did this all for one small country that is the UK. I mean, it can't be most of the rest of the world because nearly everywhere else took mitigating actions.

@beachcomber.

I hadn't seen that thanks .
I completely agree op it's all just so shady all of it and nothing adds up with any of it . And the speed at which the vaccines were created to vaccinate the population of the world also doesn't make sense to me . There is no way they could have made that many in such a short space of time .

@Youarenotbeingunreasonable that's what I thought too until I saw their video hidding in plain sight on their YouTube Channel here.