Why does it feel like Wuhan have got off lightly

[Talsaml]

No mention of how Covid started anymore. reckon it was made in a lab and the experiment went wrong. Why won’t they just admit it. Not that anyone can do anything now but so many people have died. All those lost love ones. Relatives, people that have had Covid and long Covid suffers should get compensation I say

Look at WHO too.

And another thing, while the news was leaking slowly from brave doctors in Wuhan at risk to themselves, supplies of PPE like masks were hoovered up through links in the UK and elsewhere.

@vera99 What?!

@vera99

Their borders are closed each major city have huge hermetically sealed quarantine facilities that can warehouse hundreds of thousands of people at a time and an electronic surveillance system that is absolute and total. They are building infrastructure for a world that will be ravaged by pandemics that is in every sense of the word world-beating. Scary stuff.

It is all rather disturbing.

Even if that were true, there is no way the Chinese govt would admit it or pay anyone anything

You know the Americans owned the research company?

So you know how pandemics start? Noone is to blame. It's a collision of events

@Noisyprat

No-one is going to call them out, because all governments are shit scared of China. End. Of.

They need to stop being scared of them. Their Government are bullies. They bully their own people and have even fewer qualms about doing it to others. They (the Chinese Government) do not have the western values of each human life having intrinsic value, it is a totally different and very dangerous culture that they are propogating.

At this point jn time the international community still has the possibility of preventing them dominating world order, and it needs to recognise the risk and do so. If it does not - as I suspect - then the geopolitics and outcomes for most people on Earth for the next century or more look very grim.

The key to all of this is money and trade. The only weapon we have that can be used is that, and we must collectively do so before it is too late.

@maddy68 I agree

Or how about we have responsable policies in place forbidding gain of function research unless it is;

a) necessary and or actually useful

b) transparent

c) reviewed, monitored and audited by independent international medical ethic committees.

This. ^

@KrispyKale

Look at WHO too.

And another thing, while the news was leaking slowly from brave doctors in Wuhan at risk to themselves, supplies of PPE like masks were hoovered up through links in the UK and elsewhere.

Yes the head of the WHO is in thrall to China and needs to be replaced.

So at the next election, who is going to be emailing MPs and opposition candidates making clear that their policy on China will be a critical factor in how they cast their vote? If not, then nothing will change. Well, it will. But it will change for the worse, continually.

@Beachcomber

We don't know if SARS-COV-2 is from gain of function research, but yes I agree with you. Personally I don't like it and ideally would see it banned. But I suspect that it will still go on (internationally).

This is a power game. That's all.

If enough people demand the truth it will happen.

There are scientists and lab workers who know what happened and probably want to speak out as whilstleblowers. But that won't happen without public support.

It's down to us all to talk about this and spread the information and then take to the streets if necessary to demand that the governments (which we vote for and who serve us) do the right thing.

They (the Chinese Government) do not have the western values of each human life having intrinsic value

Well do we?

Our 'let the bodies pile up' approach suggests otherwise. And the United Nations has condemned our treatment of the disabled.

[quote Tealightsandd]@Beachcomber

We don't know if SARS-COV-2 is from gain of function research, but yes I agree with you. Personally I don't like it and ideally would see it banned. But I suspect that it will still go on (internationally).[/quote]
The evidence seems to be there enough for people to speak about it in the mainstream press.

At the very least there should be an international audit / inquiry / investigation and total transparency.

Every country in the world closes borders for a temporary period

You only have to look at the UK and Ireland to see why this would never be possible.

@Beachcomber

There is absolutely no rationale for it being deliberate, if indeed it did originate from the Wuhan lab.

If China had mysteriously produced an effective vaccine a couple of weeks into the pandemic and started selling it to the West for profit, which they'd conveniently given to all their citizens in Winter 2019, then yes maybe.

But there is absolutely no logical explanation for deliberately releasing a coronavirus for which they had no mititgations nor control over once it was in the community.

The emerging reports say that the NIH in the US was involved in funding of gain of function research into coronaviruses in the Wuhan lab.

And American companies then went on to produce fast tracked vaccines in record time which they have sold globally at enormous profit.

Which is not to say that any of this is intentional but it sure is profitable (for some at great cost to many).

@Beachcomber

I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make.

If the pandemic did indeed originate from a lab, it was not released deliberately by China.

America has not benefitted from the pandemic and it's crazy to suggest they have.

@Tealightsandd

They (the Chinese Government) do not have the western values of each human life having intrinsic value

Well do we?

Our 'let the bodies pile up' approach suggests otherwise. And the United Nations has condemned our treatment of the disabled.

Have a look at what's going on in China.

I do not support the UK Government.

It is however, orders of magnitude different to a Government which is currently commiting genocide.

@PermanentTemporary

The war on drugs doesn't seem like an example of a really effective international policy.

Oh you're right. It's not effective. Depending on who you are. It's been highly lucrative for some. But it's proof that, whether a good policy or not, there can be global agreement on policy.

However, China denied that it was airbourne at that time. In fact they were still claiming there was no evidence of human to human

Actions speak louder than words. We all saw their response to it. It screamed airborne.

@ginnig

They are doing a roaring trade in the Tests, which is ironic.

you couldn't make it up!

They were handing packs of LFTs in our town centre today… I was rather annoyed to see that they were made in China ffs

@TheCatsHaveKilledTheGonks

Watch the Channel 4 documentary on disability benefits tomorrow (7.30pm).

There are scientists and lab workers who know what happened and probably want to speak out as whilstleblowers. But that won't happen without public support.

I agree. I shared such stories in December and January 2020 from the brave Chinese people who spoke out, and tried to raise the alarm. I was accused of scaremongering.

I guess eventually people may realise the folly of their ideas. I suppose that's also the hope with the whole Brexit insanity. But it's a long, long wait for them to wake up and smell the coffee.

There are scientists and lab workers who know what happened and probably want to speak out as whilstleblowers. But that won't happen without public support

Public support from who? They won't get it from their own people because they know what the CCP's approach will be if they try it, and their government simply doesn't care what the west thinks - we've sold out too much of our infrastructure to them for them to need to worry about that

[quote Tealightsandd]@TheCatsHaveKilledTheGonks

Watch the Channel 4 documentary on disability benefits tomorrow (7.30pm).[/quote]
Ok I will. I am disabled myself btw, if that makes a difference. I get no financial help from the state though and never have. I think how disabled people in the UK are treated is shocking.

It still doesn't compare to genocides, in my opinion, or mass state control of media and "social points" systems. But I'll watch and see if the programme you recommend changes my mind on that, I am always open to new information that may change my perspective.

The only ones making money from all this is the chinese....test kits, ppe, stock markets, etc etc...if i had young children i would start teaching them chinese as they going to be speaking it at some point in their life time....not mine tho....!!

Gain of function experiments continue to be carried out.

This is something we need to agree should not be happening and should be banned world wide.

Think about this - why aren't the mainstream media aren't covering this story?? When you see the overwhelming amount of evidence pointing to Fauci and Dazsek , supported by the WHO, you have to start to wonder, what the fuck is actually going on and can you believe a single word out of any of their mouths?