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Why does it feel like Wuhan have got off lightly

180 replies

Talsaml · 16/12/2021 21:18

No mention of how Covid started anymore. reckon it was made in a lab and the experiment went wrong. Why won’t they just admit it. Not that anyone can do anything now but so many people have died. All those lost love ones. Relatives, people that have had Covid and long Covid suffers should get compensation I say

OP posts:
MarshaBradyo · 17/12/2021 17:23

Does anyone know about mapping this virus?

And if the way it appears - as a random mix - lends itself to being engineered

Bunnyfuller · 18/12/2021 00:31

Because Wuhan did an actual lockdown. And people adhered to it. And when the virus took off again, they locked down again.

We’re too busy bemoaning our liberties and arguing with science

worriedatthemoment · 18/12/2021 00:41

@Bunnyfuller of course people adhered to it there , would you really of supported a lockdown like that here
Also its not just disappeared from there either

Bunnyfuller · 18/12/2021 00:54

Yes, I totally would have supported that kind of lockdown. The same as New Zealand did.

It’s not rocket science - stop mixing, the virus can’t spread. Yes, of course it’s not gone, but this thread is about China getting off ‘lightly’. You can’t have it both ways.

The virus wants to survive, and is mutating to do everything it can to do so. Which means our ability to create vaccines that keep up with it will also be limited. Especially when a significant proportion of people refuse the vaccine., worldwide. Or can’t access it.

It lives in people, it jumps between people. Therefore if households stop mixing, it in theory stops it.

But we can’t even provide frontline with proper PPE, even if we did want a strict lockdown. We don’t have the police or military to enforce it, we don’t have a good community infrastructure to support people at home.

And far too many people say ‘cold/flu’ without considering anything wider than ‘not everyone dies’.

Bunnyfuller · 18/12/2021 00:55

@worriedatthemoment

Even our government didn’t adhere to it! 😂😂😂😂😂

worriedatthemoment · 18/12/2021 01:00

@Bunnyfuller still think I know which goverment i prefer

Bunnyfuller · 18/12/2021 01:44

@worriedatthemoment

Yes, I have no doubt you do. But we weren’t talking about governments (and I prefer NZ govt to here every day of the week, if we were).

The op was asking if we thought Wuhan got off easy. So people are giving their views on that.

Good leadership is about having the courage to know when to be what kind of leader in any given situation. A strictly enforced lockdown doesn’t mean we’ve all become socialist victims.

I’m a bit rusty on quantum physics, so I’m not going to argue with science there. Ditto this. The virus gives no fucks about your Christmas do in the local Beefeater.

I would have rather had a proper, albeit fucking hard, real lockdown for a month, and then properly controlled borders, and sharp action on any recurrences, then this slow drip drip no man’s land of uncertainty, contradictory ‘advice’ (heaven forbid shareholders bank accounts suffer) and potential real danger (if not from the virus, from the wide ranging infrastructure consequences).

This is the most drawn out, frustrating and boring apocalypse ever!

Beachcomber · 18/12/2021 01:58

@user333334

I don't have "a theory".

I just think that it is pretty obvious that we are being told a lot of bullshit about covid.

Inthesameboatatmo · 18/12/2021 06:07

[quote Beachcomber]@user333334

I don't have "a theory".

I just think that it is pretty obvious that we are being told a lot of bullshit about covid.[/quote]
@beachcomber. I agree completely and I think more people are now coming to their senses, or at least I hope they are.

Iggly · 18/12/2021 06:16

I would have rather had a proper, albeit fucking hard, real lockdown for a month, and then properly controlled borders, and sharp action on any recurrences, then this slow drip drip no man’s land of uncertainty, contradictory ‘advice’ (heaven forbid shareholders bank accounts suffer) and potential real danger (if not from the virus, from the wide ranging infrastructure consequences)

Exactly this.
Sadly our government is run by school boys who’ve never grown up so cannot grasp how to handle things properly.

doublemonkey · 18/12/2021 07:03

So, is it your theory, then, that the US government funded research that created a dangerous virus...

That bit isn't theoretical. If you accept that that's true - and it is true - then you have to question everything else we've been told.

Trillions of dollars/pounds are being made off this.

doublemonkey · 18/12/2021 07:05

Anyone praising the CCP and their response to covid is delusional.

worriedatthemoment · 18/12/2021 08:03

@Bunnyfuller we aren't new zealand and def not china you can't compare what can be done in one country can't be done in another and the op wasn't talking about the lockdown were they , it wasn't contained was it

worriedatthemoment · 18/12/2021 08:05

@Bunnyfuller it hasn't gone in those countries either and they didn't have just a one month lockdown and all was over , you living in a dream world if you think thats true

goldenoldie1 · 18/12/2021 08:10

@ginnig

They are doing a roaring trade in the Tests, which is ironic.

you couldn't make it up!

Absolutely unbelievable. Why aren't any other countries making the tests rather than sending all the business and profit to China.

The coincidence of the pandemic starting in the same location where coronavirus testing takes place surely makes it a foregone conclusion.

It is baffling that there is not a massive scandal about it??!!!

LadyCleathStuart · 18/12/2021 08:36

Because Wuhan did an actual lockdown. And people adhered to it. And when the virus took off again, they locked down again.

Do you know anything at all about the Chinese Government? Oh yeah good old people of Wuhan had a great blitz spirit and didn't moan about the lockdown - no whistleblowers went 'missing', there were no stories of people being literally welded into their houses. They all just got on with it with no complaints.

How thick can you get?

Also laughing at the thought we can just demand compo from China, lol. Have a look at what the Chinese government does to its own people, I can assure you they don't give two fucks about us and our long covid.

Beachcomber · 18/12/2021 10:16

The coincidence of the pandemic starting in the same location where coronavirus testing takes place surely makes it a foregone conclusion.

Another coincidence is that the research involved the mechanisms involved in crossing the species barrier.

thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/

Virologists started studying bat coronaviruses in earnest after these turned out to be the source of both the SARS1 and MERS epidemics. In particular, researchers wanted to understand what changes needed to occur in a bat virus’s spike proteins before it could infect people.

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Wuhan is home to China’s leading center of coronavirus research where, as noted above, researchers were genetically engineering bat coronaviruses to attack human cells. They were doing so under the minimal safety conditions of a BSL2 lab. If a virus with the unexpected infectiousness of SARS2 had been generated there, its escape would be no surprise.

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But when you look for the fingerprints of a similar transition in SARS2, a strange surprise awaits. The virus has changed hardly at all, at least until recently. From its very first appearance, it was well adapted to human cells. Researchers led by Alina Chan of the Broad Institute compared SARS2 with late stage SARS1, which by then was well adapted to human cells, and found that the two viruses were similarly well adapted. “By the time SARS-CoV-2 was first detected in late 2019, it was already pre-adapted to human transmission to an extent similar to late epidemic SARS-CoV,” they wrote.

Even those who think lab origin unlikely agree that SARS2 genomes are remarkably uniform. Baric writes that “early strains identified in Wuhan, China, showed limited genetic diversity, which suggests that the virus may have been introduced from a single source.”

A single source would of course be compatible with lab escape, less so with the massive variation and selection which is evolution’s hallmark way of doing business.

The uniform structure of SARS2 genomes gives no hint of any passage through an intermediate animal host, and no such host has been identified in nature.

Then there is a lot of explanation further down the article on why the furin cleavage site is interesting but it's a bit too long to quote here.

Beachcomber · 18/12/2021 10:19

[quote user333334]@Beachcomber
@doublemonkey

Can you reasonably answer any of those questions?[/quote]
Which country is going to square up the the US and China over a lab leak??

The only country that will do that is the US itself.

Which is what is happening.

Beachcomber · 18/12/2021 10:19

square up to

sorry!

didyouscoredarling · 18/12/2021 10:23

@Tealightsandd

I wonder the same though OP. If it was (as is thought likely by many experts) an accidental lab leak, I don't know why they don't just admit it. Pride, I guess?

Sorry but surely it's obvious why they 'wouldn't just admit it'

It could cost them billions to admit it Confused

OutwiththeOutCrowd · 18/12/2021 10:53

From my understanding of Chinese culture, there is a very strong element of 'saving face' taking precedence over other considerations. It would be more difficult to acknowledge any errors with that mindset - and increasingly so as time goes by.

doublemonkey · 18/12/2021 11:55

[quote user333334]@Beachcomber
@doublemonkey

Can you reasonably answer any of those questions?[/quote]
I'm confused as to what you're disputing. Are you saying the US and Anthony Fauci weren't funding gain of function experiments on bat corona viri in the Wuhan lab, using Eco Health Alliance, Peter Dazsek's organisation?? Because that is a factual matter of record.

Who profits? For starters, the vaccine companies will make trillions on shots that don't quite work as they were supposed to and idiots will keep lining up to get them every 3 months until we all wake up.

doublemonkey · 18/12/2021 11:57

Here's a link to a CNN interview with Francis Collins, the head of the NIH who funded the experiments.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/12/2021 13:59

So every government in the world is cooperating to protect the Chinese?

I believe it's less about "protecting" them and more that they've sold out so much to the regime that pissing them off is now a dangerous game - more so, as a PP identified, because of the face saving culture

There were many who warned against letting the regime into quite so much even at the time, but as usual money spoke louder and it's all a bit late for that now

luckylavender · 18/12/2021 17:41

@Talsaml - even if it is true, the people of Wuhan weren't to blame.

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