Why does it feel like Wuhan have got off lightly

[Talsaml]

No mention of how Covid started anymore. reckon it was made in a lab and the experiment went wrong. Why won’t they just admit it. Not that anyone can do anything now but so many people have died. All those lost love ones. Relatives, people that have had Covid and long Covid suffers should get compensation I say

Here's a CNN interview which sheds some light -

@Puzzledandpissedoff

There are scientists and lab workers who know what happened and probably want to speak out as whilstleblowers. But that won't happen without public support

Public support from who? They won't get it from their own people because they know what the CCP's approach will be if they try it, and their government simply doesn't care what the west thinks - we've sold out too much of our infrastructure to them for them to need to worry about that

Public support from people like us.

We should go after the American organisations first. They have admitted that they were involved. They will drop the Chinese in it in order to cover their own arses.

@earsup

The only ones making money from all this is the chinese....test kits, ppe, stock markets, etc etc...if i had young children i would start teaching them chinese as they going to be speaking it at some point in their life time....not mine tho....!!

Pfizer et al are doing alright out of this.

www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/pfizer-biontech-and-moderna-making-1000-profit-every-second-while-worlds-poorest

This is starting to remind me a bit of the hush hush about Saudi involvement in 9/11. The US has very effective mechanisms in place to keep things quiet that they want surpressed.

It's all so depressing. And our Government trying to align itself with the US instead of the solidarity of Europe in which we were an equal partner (in fact had the most beneficial terms of any member!), alienating our closest allies with whom we have common interests and culture that far outstrip our relationship to the US, and to make ourselves instead the US's bitch was probably the worst foreign policy decision ever in UK history.

Again, like with the other issues, I think when the reality of what has happened dawns people they will be furious. Like some fisherman apparently are already. But too late. Let's hope people learn from this and don't make exactly the same mistake about tackling Chinese foreign policy. I like to be an optimist so I hope, but I must admit that I consider the likelihood of the necessary action being taken in time to prevent China becoming the dominant world superpower is slim: it requires international cooperation on a level never achieved yet. As does stopping climate collapse.

I worry that we are watching humans answering the Fermi problem before our eyes.

There independent labs ie. Not owned Chinese goverment any more than UK research institutes are owned by the UK goverment. An independent company cnt compensate the world.
Also alot of the funding came from the us and EU (which Britain was a part of at the time of funding) and probably many more developed countries. so who exactly is liable for the compensation.
For what it's worth I do believe it was an accidental lab leak but not intentional. The chinese goverment wouldn't be stupid enough to intentionally do this to their own economy.

@Aimee1987

There independent labs ie. Not owned Chinese goverment any more than UK research institutes are owned by the UK goverment. An independent company cnt compensate the world. Also alot of the funding came from the us and EU (which Britain was a part of at the time of funding) and probably many more developed countries. so who exactly is liable for the compensation. For what it's worth I do believe it was an accidental lab leak but not intentional. The chinese goverment wouldn't be stupid enough to intentionally do this to their own economy.

This is not how things work in China. You can't set up a company without the Government's approval. If they don't like what you are doing, it stops. It is monitored. Companies do not operate independently within an enforceable legal framework like they do here. Even private companies are subject to massive amounts of state control and policy intervention.

We should go after the American organisations first. They have admitted that they were involved. They will drop the Chinese in it in order to cover their own arses

It doesn't make any difference even if they try, since that wouldn't be acceptable to the Chinese regime, and because they already control far too much it would be almost impossible to hold them accountable even if they'd submit to this

It's true that the US provided research funding, but they probably (foolishly) trusted the regime to behave responsibly and believed their assurances ... a hideous mistake as things turned out

So are UK research labs. There is a huge amount of restrictions surrounding research within this country but currently the UK goverment is not legally responsible for a private company.

Poor farming practises within the UK lead to BSE. Are the UK goverment liable for this?

It might help if the WHO weren't so deeply in the Beijing pocket.

@SheldonesqueTheBstard

Or how about we have responsable policies in place forbidding gain of function research unless it is;

a) necessary and or actually useful

b) transparent

c) reviewed, monitored and audited by independent international medical ethic committees.

This. ^

There was a ban on gain of function in 2014 under the Obama Administration, this was overturned by Trump in 2017.

www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(18)30006-9/fulltext

Also there is currently no ban on gain of function research within the UK.

So an accidental or intentional ( by a single scientist) could easily have happened within this country. Labs arent as secure as people like to think. I can access enough neurotoxin to poison the water supply of my entire town if I so wanted and there are very few barriers in place to stop me from taking and stockpiling this.

Poor farming practises within the UK lead to BSE. Are the UK government liable for this?
They were, yes, at least for how slow they were to deal with it - hence the compensation paid to families.

The Wuhan lab and the (fairly probable) leak are an example of how China is really, really bad at "soft power."

Every clumsy attempt by the CCP to convince everyone that it wasn't a lab leak, is merely cementing everyone's impression that it was.

To be honest, it's still perfectly possible it wasn't a lab leak. The wet market explanation is still quite plausible.

But the CCP is so terrified of any kind of external scrutiny that it has slammed the brakes on any attempt by the outside world to properly investigate what is going on.

So, ironically, even if the lab leak theory is false, the CCP's actions will ensure that it becomes the one that is most widely believed outside China.

Xi is an incompetent control freak who happens to be in charge as China reaches its peak of power; his predecessors such as Deng are the ones who are actually responsible for China's rise.

@sequinsandstilettos they compensated British famlies but to my knowledge ( and please correct me if I'm wrong) they did not compensate the French or Irish ( and other potentially impacted countries) farming industry or famlies of patients.

I have been reading about this. Not sure how to feel

@thefourgp

They’ll never admit it. There’s no way it didn’t accidentally come out of the Wuhan lab who were conducting covid experiments. China would be massively financially impacted if they did. The whole world would sue them, put even stricter sanctions into place, cut aid etc.

Lmao the west doesn't send China aid...

We will need aid from them soon based on how much more advanced and developed they are 😂

The LF tests, which I have to do daily for work, are made in China.

Do I think it leaked from the lab - yes
Do I think it was intentional - definitely not
Do I think they held back information far too long - yes
Do I think they held back info on severity of the issue - yes
Do I think they care - no
Do I think anything can be done about all of the above - in all honesty, no
Does this make me feel frustrated/angry/etc - yes

I have nothing insightful or intelligent to add. I’d been coping fairly ok up until this week. I believe we will eventually get through this, but I’ve stumbled on a big rut this week.

Spanish Flu started in the US.

Have they compensated other countries yet?

@Furries

Do I think it leaked from the lab - yes Do I think it was intentional - definitely not Do I think they held back information far too long - yes Do I think they held back info on severity of the issue - yes Do I think they care - no Do I think anything can be done about all of the above - in all honesty, no Does this make me feel frustrated/angry/etc - yes

I have nothing insightful or intelligent to add. I’d been coping fairly ok up until this week. I believe we will eventually get through this, but I’ve stumbled on a big rut this week.

👏 well put

The LF tests, which I have to do daily for work, are made in China.

So? Where I live almost everything is made in China.

There are some ridiculous posts on this thread.

However, China denied that it was airbourne at that time.

In March 2020 the UK Govt produced a document which stated that residents in nursing homes were not considered to be at risk from Coronavirus.

Denial or ignorance?

We let Russians come in and assassinate people. Putin has 175000 troops amassed on the Ukraine border.

What would you expect to happen? Tbh if it wasn’t them it would’ve been someone else.

In terms of numbers etc we stopped being interested in them once it got going here.

They can afford to take better measures - we can't and that's the bottom line no one wants to acknowledge.