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Why does it feel like Wuhan have got off lightly

180 replies

Talsaml · 16/12/2021 21:18

No mention of how Covid started anymore. reckon it was made in a lab and the experiment went wrong. Why won’t they just admit it. Not that anyone can do anything now but so many people have died. All those lost love ones. Relatives, people that have had Covid and long Covid suffers should get compensation I say

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Delatron · 16/12/2021 22:40

No you didn’t mishear. Nobody seems bothered about this massive news story!

ginnig · 16/12/2021 22:43

They are doing a roaring trade in the Tests, which is ironic.

you couldn't make it up!

Beachcomber · 16/12/2021 22:47

@Tealightsandd

assurances that such a thing will never be allowed to happen again.

The only way to do that - and I hope next time this happens - is swift proactive preventative action.

The next would-be pandemic might come from a lab, it could have a more natural origin. I say 'would-be' because we have the means and technology to never let another pandemic happen.

Every country in the world closes borders for a temporary period (with real quarantine where necessary for essential travel) plus isolates cases already out there - and then no pandemic happens.

It's rare and difficult to have worldwide cooperation on a policy, but it has happened. The war on drugs is truly global.

Or how about we have responsable policies in place forbidding gain of function research unless it is ;

a) necessary and or actually useful

b) transparent

c) reviewed, monitored and audited by independent international medical ethic committees.

Are people not quite grasping the magnitude of this or are they so worn down by covidworld that they are past caring?!

Busybee5000 · 16/12/2021 22:53

@RiverSkater

They are doing a roaring trade in the Tests, which is ironic.
Sat at my desk the other day whilst worrying about bloody covid and this struck me, the test boxes in front of me said made in china on the side of it. Ironic.
TheCatsHaveKilledTheGonks · 16/12/2021 22:54

@Talsaml

No mention of how Covid started anymore. reckon it was made in a lab and the experiment went wrong. Why won’t they just admit it. Not that anyone can do anything now but so many people have died. All those lost love ones. Relatives, people that have had Covid and long Covid suffers should get compensation I say
Based on analysis of the virus it doesn't appear to have been created in a lab. However, it does seem highly likely that it was taken to the lab to study, and then escaped from there. There are reports from poorly paid lab workers of them taking animals used in the lab for virus testing to them be sold as meat at the Wuhan "wet market" where people purchase live animals for food, which is located very close to the level 4 lab. Many reports of lac security procedures.

There are not many level 4 labs in the world so it would be a hell of a coincidence if this virus just happened to first appear right next to a level 4 lab. And if it was nothing to do with the lab, presumably China wouldn't have been so obstructive to every investigation into the origins of the virus. Each mutation can be traced back genetically to find the earliest cases in record and they've refused to let scientists see the data and genetic sequencing of early test samples.

vera99 · 16/12/2021 22:54

Their borders are closed each major city have huge hermetically sealed quarantine facilities that can warehouse hundreds of thousands of people at a time and an electronic surveillance system that is absolute and total. They are building infrastructure for a world that will be ravaged by pandemics that is in every sense of the word world-beating. Scary stuff.

TheCatsHaveKilledTheGonks · 16/12/2021 22:56

I think compensation is a pipe dream. What we need to do is wean our economy off its reliance on Chinese goods.

1dayatatime · 16/12/2021 22:56

@Whatisthisworld

Was it deliberate by China as people say?
No it was an accidental lab leak through insufficient bio security.
1dayatatime · 16/12/2021 22:57

@RiverSkater

They are doing a roaring trade in the Tests, which is ironic.
Ironic and profitable
TheCatsHaveKilledTheGonks · 16/12/2021 22:59

At the end of the day, whatever China did or didn't do wrt raising the alarm sooner, it was down to every other country to respond effectively to the novel airborne virus... Or not.

I was one of the people accused of "scaremongering" for saying in Jan 2020 that this was going to be very serious and our Government's response was useless.

However, China denied that it was airbourne at that time. In fact they were still claiming there was no evidence of human to human transmission at all. They suppressed vital evidence given to them by Chinese doctors showing this was false - we now know this. So I do not think your analysis is accurate.

riveted1 · 16/12/2021 22:59

@Whatisthisworld

Was it deliberate by China as people say?
There is absolutely no rationale for it being deliberate, if indeed it did originate from the Wuhan lab.

If China had mysteriously produced an effective vaccine a couple of weeks into the pandemic and started selling it to the West for profit, which they'd conveniently given to all their citizens in Winter 2019, then yes maybe.

But there is absolutely no logical explanation for deliberately releasing a coronavirus for which they had no mititgations nor control over once it was in the community.

TheCatsHaveKilledTheGonks · 16/12/2021 23:00

(Btw the Wuhan Institute of Virology bat coronavirus lab research was/is internationally funded).

Lol. It may well be. But if it is in China, then it is controlled by China. Hence the international community who funded it not being allowed access to the data requested so that the origins of the virus can be identified.

PermanentTemporary · 16/12/2021 23:01

The war on drugs doesn't seem like an example of a really effective international policy.

ginnig · 16/12/2021 23:03

However, China denied that it was airbourne at that time. In fact they were still claiming there was no evidence of human to human transmission at all. They suppressed vital evidence given to them by Chinese doctors showing this was false

good point

1dayatatime · 16/12/2021 23:03

The Chinese Communist Government can never admit to the truth after denying it for so long.

One of the catalysts that led to the fall of the Soviet Union communist Government was the denial of a nuclear meltdown at Chernobyl. After they had no choice but to admit the truth, the population were asking if the Government lied about this then what else are they lying about.

The Chinese Communist Party are well ware of this which is why they will never admit it and as all the evidence has been destroyed and access for an independent is not possible then the truth will never come out.

Beachcomber · 16/12/2021 23:04

@TheCatsHaveKilledTheGonks

Recent reports are very much pointing in the direction of this being an engineered virus as a result of gain of function research. And the fact that this is being openly reported in the mainstream press is not insignificant.

KrispyKale · 16/12/2021 23:07

@TheCatsHaveKilledTheGonks

At the end of the day, whatever China did or didn't do wrt raising the alarm sooner, it was down to every other country to respond effectively to the novel airborne virus... Or not.

I was one of the people accused of "scaremongering" for saying in Jan 2020 that this was going to be very serious and our Government's response was useless.

However, China denied that it was airbourne at that time. In fact they were still claiming there was no evidence of human to human transmission at all. They suppressed vital evidence given to them by Chinese doctors showing this was false - we now know this. So I do not think your analysis is accurate.

This.
Original poster
Talsaml · 16/12/2021 23:07

It all seems dodgy to me

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TheCatsHaveKilledTheGonks · 16/12/2021 23:09

[quote Beachcomber]@TheCatsHaveKilledTheGonks

Recent reports are very much pointing in the direction of this being an engineered virus as a result of gain of function research. And the fact that this is being openly reported in the mainstream press is not insignificant.[/quote]
I hadn't seen that - thank you, I will check it out. I have been keeping away from the news recently.

My view right from the beginning was that it escaped from the level 4 facility in Wuhan. There seems no other plausible conclusion. If they actually engineered it rather than just accidentally released a naturally evolved virus they were studying there, that is even worse.

I hope the international community holds them to account for this. In international terms China's only interest is in trade. All countries should be adapting supply chains to eliminate trade with China asap.

Beachcomber · 16/12/2021 23:09

There is absolutely no rationale for it being deliberate, if indeed it did originate from the Wuhan lab.

If China had mysteriously produced an effective vaccine a couple of weeks into the pandemic and started selling it to the West for profit, which they'd conveniently given to all their citizens in Winter 2019, then yes maybe.

But there is absolutely no logical explanation for deliberately releasing a coronavirus for which they had no mititgations nor control over once it was in the community.

The emerging reports say that the NIH in the US was involved in funding of gain of function research into coronaviruses in the Wuhan lab.

And American companies then went on to produce fast tracked vaccines in record time which they have sold globally at enormous profit.

Which is not to say that any of this is intentional but it sure is profitable (for some at great cost to many).

Delatron · 16/12/2021 23:10

I just can’t believe it hasn’t been headline news. It’s there once you scroll down.

Noisyprat · 16/12/2021 23:11

No-one is going to call them out, because all governments are shit scared of China. End. Of.

Delatron · 16/12/2021 23:13

Maybe even the media are scared of China.

Beachcomber · 16/12/2021 23:14

I think it is not being called out because the US and China are involved.

Who is going to call that out?

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