I'm DONE with Covid, omicron and want to get on with my life - is anyone else with me?

[coatilove]

Honestly at this point I'm done with it, I'm surprised people are complying so much with mask wearing and everything else - I thought the vaccine was freedom. Turns out I was wrong.

I've had enough - I'm not wearing my mask indoors and hope if there's a lockdown every business keeps its doors open and boycotts the decision.

I'm really surprised people are being so compliant, even if they have natural immunity and have been jagged (I have now had Covid and both jabs)

I can't be selfless anymore and keep getting boosters to protect others and stopping life, constant anxiety, life I feel should be going on now. Enough sacrifices have been made.

Aware I'll get flamed, but at the end of my tether with all of this now.

There are plenty of diseases that kill people, we have to accept the death rate now enough is enough.

If you've been vaccinated then what else do you intend to do? If you haven't then more fool you.

@Tealightsandd

Its just a mask Its just a booster Its just another few restrictions

Masks and boosters are not restrictions. They are sensible mitigations - basic infection control - that, if adhered to well - help reduce the need for restrictions.

"It's just a seat belt"
"It's just a child seat"
"It's just a drink drive limit"
"It's your annual flu jab appointment".

Life is full of mitigations. And life goes on as normal. Because of those mitigations.

Peoples businesses, mental healths arent being affected from wearing a seatbelt though are they?

Why do you think people want mitigations? Of course to help save lives, health, and the economy - but also to get back as much as possible to normal.

It's a bloody great shame the whole world didn't do the same as East Asia, Australia, and New Zealand. Temporary pandemic border closures (with real quarantine for essential travel), isolate the cases already in the community. Two or so months, and it would've been done over a year ago.

Let's hope lessons have been learned for the next time. (And the global war on drugs proves that, when really wanted, the whole world can agree on a policy).

@FOJN

No one expects it to go away, people expected that after the elderly and vulnerable (98.8% of Covid deaths) are double vaccinated that we can treat it like any other virus/illness, accept the risk, accept people die and get on with our fucking lives.

Look I understand the frustration but any expectation we could predict the course this virus would take is naive. Three weeks to flatten the curve was a lie, the government knew it was a lie, anyone with Google knew it was a lie, we were always going to be dealing with this virus for a few years. The government only lied to to coax people through it and avoid this foot stamping frustration, as someone said earlier in the thread we just have to adjust our thinking.

Until Omicron life was getting back to normal, it's frustrating for many of us that after two years, so many people don't understand, even with a high survival rate, if lots if people get ill and can't work at the same time then we are in trouble. If the CFR for this variant is half what is was for Delta but it is much more transmissible then we will still have more people needing hospital treatment than for delta. Refusing to take action to mitigate the spread because the government should fund the health service better is no good to us right at this moment. Getting on with it means people dying without any care to mitigate their suffering.

There are no go choices here just a range of options from which we must pick the last worst.

The virus will continue to mutate, all the time, it what's they do? Do we restrict our lives and hide behind our sofas after each variant is announced? Soon as it mutates the scare mongering headlines come.

The vaccines offer a high protection against all variants so far. The flu jab is only 49% effective and Covid vaccines have had higher efficiency than that over each variant.

We have to learn to live with it. Hand gel, masks in large gatherings so be it...but to restrict peoples travel, household mixing, coercing people into getting boosters, it's over the top and unjustifiable.

"The ever changing goal posts this past 2 year have taught these people nothing."

This rubbish about goalposts is moronic. Who exactly do you think sets out the 'goalposts' in a novel virus pandemic?

There are no crystal balls that are being stared into, no people hiding the real end date of the pandemic from you.

Just a lot of very eminent scientists working hard to understand the data we have and react to the new information emerging as the virus changes and adapts.

It's scary and uncomfortable when we don't know all the answers or where we are going from here but shouting that it should over by now isn't helpful, it's just stupid.

[quote ChequerBoard]One thing the pandemic has proven to me is that oh so many people are completely bloody clueless about how the healthcare system works.

All the petulant toddlers stamping their feet and whining the pandemic equivalent of 'are we there yet' need to watch the response Chris Whitty gives to this utterly clueless MP:

[[https://twitter.com/femi_sorry/status/1471522998708580353?s=21]][/quote]
Totally this. Chris Whitty has been the voice of reason throughout this and everyone should listen to this.

Honestly, I'm despairing at the I'm done with crowd. Same old, same old. All the whataboutery and the consistent blocking of ears to reasoned responses. The insistence that this is about 80 year olds dying only and saving the NHS which should be saving us (yawn). It baffles me that people think in these terms and cannot see the wider picture, can't see that yes the NHS has been screwed over for years but this is actually about people being treated. People like you and me, for anything at all. If covid runs wild in hospitals, you're not getting treatment for an accident or heart attack. As Whitty says here:

[quote coatilove]@Thethingswedidanddidntdo you're completely missing my point this isn't just about masks though is it. It's about regular jabs, when you probably don't even need it.

It's about threats of lockdowns, being told not to socialise.

Stop trying to make my post seem like it's just the masks I'm frustrated about.

It's the indefinite cycle of constraint requests to help stop the spread of Covid. After being told the vaccine was the last of it.

Now I'm questioning when the real end will be? No one knows so how long should I expected to comply?

We all die one day, not sure why humans seem to think we are so precious to be honest. And I'm including myself in that - I'm not immortal but it feels like some people think it's their given right to live forever or something.

Should we not accept Covid as a killer eventually? [/quote]
This post doesn’t even make sense.
First you are saying don’t wear masks, no need for more jabs or restrictions etc you’re presumably saying this as you don’t think covid is a threat.
Then you go and end the post with…accept covid is a killer?
I think you don’t seem to realise that most people aren’t afraid of contracting covid. It’s more about realising that if restrictions or preventative measure like masks, SD aren’t put in place then we will lose the nhs and the other services that come with it such as emergency treatment if you have an accident, heart attack, stroke, cancer… also if you let cases surge naturally then other professionals that we rely on will be off ill or dead with covid such as teachers, police, social services, etc
You say you are done with covid, but do you even realise that if these measures weren’t put in place, then you would actually be “done” with many more aspects of your life that you take for granted.
It’s not about how you feel right now, it’s about realising how you would feel if your child had temporary supply teachers because staff were ill with covid continuously or you couldn’t take your relative to hospitals if they were having a cardiac arrest.

Exactly, @ChequerBoard!

Original Covid: I'm bored of these people flattening the curve. I feel like mutating right now.

Alpha: hey, check me out!

Delta: I'm fed up of you. I'm going to do my own thing. And my spikes are better than yours.

Alpha: You just want to control me. All I want to do is LIVE MY LIFE. Waaah.

Beta: oy, I'm here too, you know.

Delta: wait...those vaccines are curtailing my freedom. It's not fair! I'm going to protest! All I'm trying to do is get on with my life!

Alpha serves you right.

Omicron: I feel like some proper mutating action.

Delta: wowsers. But wait. Someone on Mumsnet said they're fed up. Better keep a lid on it, mate.

Omicron: I refuse to wear a mask.

Delta: wait... You're worse than the vaccine! You're taking away my rights! I will not comply! You keep moving the goalposts! Anyone with me?

Beta, Alpha, Original Covid:

Delta: I WILL NOT COMPLY

Omicron: Mwahaha

Omega: I'm done with you lot. BORED.

You know reading the different comments on here... I think one of the big problems with the wider discussions on restrictions and covid etc is that because everyone's lives are so different, we are all talking about the same facts, but how we experience those facts is going to be different.

It may well be very difficult being NHS staff, but the person you're talking to might be a self employed person whose business will take a hammering through restrictions. A person who lives a 30 minute drive away from their family isnt going to feel the same about closing borders as someone living abroad. A couple in a bedsit might have a different take on lockdown than a family with a second home in the country. Someone with a traumatic past, or someone who relies heavily on facial cues, or non native speakers may find that continuous mask wearing is stressful for a number of reasons. People in tense or abusive or violent households might find the ongoing churn of change has them forever on edge, compared to someone with a steadier or more peaceful home. Some young people might find themselves feeling heavily stifled by all the checklist of what they can and cant do and when, while older people may feel less alienated seeing the world around them slow down to a pace more aligned with their own.

In many cases, people will be dealing with lots of different combinations of the examples given above. Which is why actually these conversations arent all that helpful: your attitude towards restrictions isnt really about how smart you are or how informed you are, I reckon it's to do with how adaptable your life/lifestyle is with respect to covid and restrictions. In some cases it just takes a bit of effort to shift your mindset and get on board with changes. But in many cases, the way peoples lives have been set up, their relationships, choices they have made and work they do, are fundamentally incompatible with the covid world, which is where the frustration comes from.

That doesnt justify not respecting guidelines but it can explain why we have such varying opinions.

Just my take anyway. Peace and good night to you all!

@ChequerBoard

"The ever changing goal posts this past 2 year have taught these people nothing."

This rubbish about goalposts is moronic. Who exactly do you think sets out the 'goalposts' in a novel virus pandemic?

There are no crystal balls that are being stared into, no people hiding the real end date of the pandemic from you.

Just a lot of very eminent scientists working hard to understand the data we have and react to the new information emerging as the virus changes and adapts.

It's scary and uncomfortable when we don't know all the answers or where we are going from here but shouting that it should over by now isn't helpful, it's just stupid.

We were told vaccines were our root to freedom and here we are. We were told last Christmas to give up Christmas so save next christmas...and here we are. All of the vulnerable groups fully jabbed among with most adults in the uk.

I mean what else can we do? How can we protect ourselves higher than vaccines?
Isolating, being sent home from work/school is not, passports though you can still transmit should never be a long term goal and things you pick out of a hat when a variant comes along.

We are not living with it, were hiding from it.

@loveandkindness the flu has gone to the same place the delta variant is in hiding.

I mean when someone dies with Covid usually from an underlying health condition they may have died from anyway how do they know which variant they're dying from? Are they testing for it?

@coatilove

Honestly at this point I'm done with it, I'm surprised people are complying so much with mask wearing and everything else - I thought the vaccine was freedom. Turns out I was wrong.

I've had enough - I'm not wearing my mask indoors and hope if there's a lockdown every business keeps its doors open and boycotts the decision.

I'm really surprised people are being so compliant, even if they have natural immunity and have been jagged (I have now had Covid and both jabs)

I can't be selfless anymore and keep getting boosters to protect others and stopping life, constant anxiety, life I feel should be going on now. Enough sacrifices have been made.

Aware I'll get flamed, but at the end of my tether with all of this now.

There are plenty of diseases that kill people, we have to accept the death rate now enough is enough.

If you've been vaccinated then what else do you intend to do? If you haven't then more fool you.

You just sound so petulant and silly. I am embarrassed for you.

It was ok to die from flu.

It’s not ok to die from covid.

It’s ok to die from cancer, but only if your treatment was delayed by covid.

when someone dies with Covid usually from an underlying health condition they may have died from anyway....years later.

[quote MrsHastingslikethebattle]@loveandkindness the flu has gone to the same place the delta variant is in hiding.

I mean when someone dies with Covid usually from an underlying health condition they may have died from anyway how do they know which variant they're dying from? Are they testing for it?[/quote]

What are you even suggesting with that doublespeak?

The delay variant isn't in hiding. We have both delta and omicron circulating in the UK right now.

Flu has been abated in the last 2 years because of all the Covid measures - hygiene, masks, social distancing.

The facts are that we have had 170,000 excess deaths in the last 12 months.

I don't mind wearing a mask, I don't mind covid passes for places, I don't mind hand gel, I don't mind getting vaccinated. (and actually very very pro vaccines and do extra days at vaccine clinic).
But I'm done with the whipping up of hysteria by govt and media.
We have to live with this, because as everyone keeps saying viruses mutate.. Are we going to spend the rest of time in a perpetual cycle of "return to normal"... Followed by "omg panic"...
Using influenza as an example... Every year we have a mutated flu virus, evety Yr we have a tweaked vaccine that hopefully gives protection against that mutation.
Some people still get flu, infact a lot of people catch the viruses, some get sick, some die from it. The hospitals struggle as there is an increase in patients due to the flu often exacerbating other conditions, being worse in the elderly etc.
Lots of people get a milder virus, they maybe stay home a day or so, or even a week if it's flu.
But many with mild symptoms carry on at work, school etc, and no one tests for flu.
If you are in contact with someone who then has flu, you don't stay home, isolate, test every day or whatever... You carry on possibly with fingers x you didht catch it.
You don't suddenly stop visiting granny in her nursing home or uncle Fred.
And we don't have daily figures posted on news sites of how many people have flu, are in hospital with flu or died with flu.

Now before people pitch in with covid is not flu... I know that, if you don't like flu as example, put in norovirus... Or any other viral illness..

We have to live with this

Yes we do. Hence sensible basic infection control mitigations.

We all like to get on with life !! Covid is not something any wants in their lives but it is what it is !! I am not sure you have the same blasé attitude if you need urgent healthcare to find the hospitals are rammed full with no beds and understaffed due to the Drs self isolating!! You seriously need to look at the bigger picture !! Yes I am just as fed up of it as you

[quote loveandkindness]@AnotherOneWithNoGoodName There are plenty of evidence that show that face masks work.

www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118
www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/17/wearing-masks-single-most-effective-way-to-tackle-covid-study-finds
www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449

... First three hits on a Google search.

That's because google are a pharmaceutical company and the factblockers (er checkers) are funded by Bill Gates and the same people who fund the pharmaceutical companies. They have a vested interest in search results.

If you go other search engines, such as duckduckgo and type masks don't work, you'll find untainted results.

You may want to check these out:

beingfree.ca/masks-studies-metastudies-that-show-masks-dont-work/[/quote]
I was so sure this was a joke until the last link.

As I said in my last couple of posts which you don't seem to want to reply to, hopefully this will be the last Winter that is severely impacted, and from 2022 we can start moving towards treating coronavirus like 'flu

I'll reply to it if I may, and say that unfortunately "hope" is all this is
We were "hoping" we could move back to normality in 2021 with the vaccines, except a variant's come along to complicate things - and there's no reason at all to assume there won't be another variant next year and the one after that and so on indefinitely

All this may be why folk are saying "What's the point when we can do so little about it?", and the answer's always "But what about the NHS?"
To which I'd reply that there's little point in trashing everything else for the sake of a system that's already effectively over

This is a really unique position op. Everywhere else I go I hear people talking about how much they love Covid and omicron. You're quite the little iconoclast aren't you.

Now before people pitch in with covid is not flu... I know that, if you don't like flu as example, put in norovirus... Or any other viral illness..

We do take mitigations for other viruses. Flu jab, 48 hr isolation after a sickness bug, etc. But also, Covid is a new (still quite unknown) virus. It's very possibly escaped from a lab. Many experts now believe it was an accidental leak from the Wuhan Institute of Virology's bat coronavirus research.

Separately, the situation won't be like this forever. In the future we'll have more of the world vaccinated. And we'll have had time to study Covid. We'll have more knowledge and understanding, and we'll have wider availability of treatments.

@Theredjellybean

I don't mind wearing a mask, I don't mind covid passes for places, I don't mind hand gel, I don't mind getting vaccinated. (and actually very very pro vaccines and do extra days at vaccine clinic). But I'm done with the whipping up of hysteria by govt and media. We have to live with this, because as everyone keeps saying viruses mutate.. Are we going to spend the rest of time in a perpetual cycle of "return to normal"... Followed by "omg panic"... Using influenza as an example... Every year we have a mutated flu virus, evety Yr we have a tweaked vaccine that hopefully gives protection against that mutation. Some people still get flu, infact a lot of people catch the viruses, some get sick, some die from it. The hospitals struggle as there is an increase in patients due to the flu often exacerbating other conditions, being worse in the elderly etc. Lots of people get a milder virus, they maybe stay home a day or so, or even a week if it's flu. But many with mild symptoms carry on at work, school etc, and no one tests for flu. If you are in contact with someone who then has flu, you don't stay home, isolate, test every day or whatever... You carry on possibly with fingers x you didht catch it. You don't suddenly stop visiting granny in her nursing home or uncle Fred. And we don't have daily figures posted on news sites of how many people have flu, are in hospital with flu or died with flu.

Now before people pitch in with covid is not flu... I know that, if you don't like flu as example, put in norovirus... Or any other viral illness..

I think you've missed the point of exponential growth. If flu was doubling every two days we'd sure as heck be looking at mitigations because it would cripple the health service. Covid isn't special, it's just novel and highly transmissible - even more so with Omicron. Really, you're comparing apples and oranges.

Average flu deaths are much much lower than we've seen with covid (and that was with lockdowns). On 2019 it was under 2k. The highest it's been in years was 22k and that was an anomaly, and they didn't have exponential growth to deal with.

Really, it's very simple.

I hate the "the virus doesn't care if you think it's over" line. To some extent deciding on the end of restrictions is always going to be a political decision, there are always going to be trade offs. I am personally extremely frustrated with the lack of in person GP appointments which led to a very very long delay in discovering I quite probably have a serious-ish health condition. My mental health has been in the toilet for nearly two years now. I don't cohabit with my partner for religious reasons which can be a big logistical nightmare during restrictions. All these things and more are just overwhelming me and frankly it seems like Omicron doesn't care that I wear a mask and got all three jabs, it's spreading that quickly. I wish to goodness the NHS hadn't been so badly equipped in the first place but I look at the future and it feels so, so empty.