I'm DONE with Covid, omicron and want to get on with my life - is anyone else with me?

[coatilove]

Honestly at this point I'm done with it, I'm surprised people are complying so much with mask wearing and everything else - I thought the vaccine was freedom. Turns out I was wrong.

I've had enough - I'm not wearing my mask indoors and hope if there's a lockdown every business keeps its doors open and boycotts the decision.

I'm really surprised people are being so compliant, even if they have natural immunity and have been jagged (I have now had Covid and both jabs)

I can't be selfless anymore and keep getting boosters to protect others and stopping life, constant anxiety, life I feel should be going on now. Enough sacrifices have been made.

Aware I'll get flamed, but at the end of my tether with all of this now.

There are plenty of diseases that kill people, we have to accept the death rate now enough is enough.

If you've been vaccinated then what else do you intend to do? If you haven't then more fool you.

[quote MrsHastingslikethebattle]@DismantledKing, I meant muzzled as a figure of speech.
People see it as it's just a mask. It's not, it's a piece of cloth over your face, that constructs your breathing, talking, affects your skin along with the fact theres not a single shred of evidence that they actually work[/quote]
There are plenty of evidence that show that face masks work.

www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118
www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/17/wearing-masks-single-most-effective-way-to-tackle-covid-study-finds
www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449

... First three hits on a Google search.

@LittleRoundRobin

I don't think we can do what we want, and sadly we HAVE to comply but I do get you, and I DO get your frustration. I have flat out had enough, and just want my old life back. I know what you mean though *@coatilove* ... I, and many many others thought vaccines would = our lives back. Sadly not it seems.

We cannot possibly have another lockdown though, surely not, because the economy simply cannot sustain it. MANY companies have been on the news tonight (and earlier in the week) saying if there is a lockdown, that it will finish them.

Also, ignore the snarky, sarcastic and demeaning responses on here from a few people who think they're hilarious. They're not! It's perfectly natural - and normal for you, and me (and anyone else,) to feel fucked off with it all.

I think people are entitled to' stamp their feet' as much as they like, as it's all so fucking SHIT now! I will stamp my feet and moan and gripe as much as I want about covid. I am am sick to the back teeth of it all, and sick to DEATH of hearing about it on the fucking TV, and the radio! Anyone who thinks I'm out of order for moaning can kiss my fat arse, and spin on that > 🖕

#sorrynotsorry

This.

@housemaus I could link about 10 articles if I could be arsed finding them that they don't. No correlation between mask mandate countries and those who haven't.
If people were masks correctly, didnt touch them with their hands, flung them away or disposed of them after each use, then yeah I'm inclined to agree but people don't.

Why the god damn hell should people be forced to wear masks to stop getting a virus with 98% full survival rate and your most likely to get mild symptoms?

[quote XmasSadface]@Maverickess
Nobody here has said they aren't complying, they are having a bitch, the way you just did[/quote]
And yet in the OP-

I've had enough - I'm not wearing my mask indoors

So we lift restrictions. Stop the jabs. What happens next when the NHS has to take into account huge increase in people needing urgent care? Life saving treatment for cancer? Unlikely if you can still breathe and talk. It will be covid patients who need the urgent care. What do you think should happen? We return to life pre covid while covid is still rampant, new horrors will replace it in the form of no readily available treatment. Think the NHS is bad now?

Stop thinking in black and white and start and start thinking about how you can adapt.

@riveted1

ugh so many typos

I would ask yourself why 99% of experts disagree

@riveted1 You said "I have posted a fair bit on Van Bossche.

He is it not an expert (i.e., does not have a portifolio of relevant research, nor actually any research publised), and his views are not evidence based.

You can always find someone with a dr title to back you views, but I would ask yourself while 99% of credible experts disagree."

In your previous post you said all experts, now you admit there are some with different views.

Dr Geert Vanden Bosche phD headed projects for Glaxo-Smithkline and Novartis. He was Head of the Vaccine Development Office for the German Centre for Infection Research and had a vaccine consultancy from 2012 to 2019 and you say he's not an expert

Ask yourself this If he was good enough to work for the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation he must have been considered an expert in his field.

Perhaps you're views make you more of an expert than they are?

@coatilove

1 million people over 65 are still waiting for a booster. The most vulnerable to omicron, yet they're hot being prioritised.

Total shit show - this is yet another reason why I'm done. As it appears our efforts are to not avail

So you think that because we are not doing enough at the moment, we should instead do less? I cannot fathom this logic.

@Maverickess

I'm done with it too, it's in (or rather on) my face every day I'm at work. I'm done with getting dressed up like an extra from a nuclear war film to deliver personal care, I'm done with my face itching and a sore throat from wearing a mask for between 8 and 14 hours a day in a warm environment while doing a physical job. I'm sick of dry and cracked hands from the endless handwashing and sanitising. I'm sick of being moaned at by people who don't want to wear a mask, don't want to wear PPE to see their relatives and think somehow, shouting at me will change that. I'm sick of being told to mind my own business when I ask that someone doesn't hug or kiss their loved one because it's safer for them, the other residents and me and the rest of the staff, because apparently me catching covid, or caring for a unit full of covid positive residents, taking it home to my family and also informing loved ones that their family is sick/dying/dead over the phone is none of my business and an acceptable price to pay for a hug and a kiss. I don't really want to be holding the hands of those dying from covid either, done with that. I'm sick of 3 X covid tests a week (now four). I'm sick of doing all that for minimum wage.

But what I'm really sick of is people expecting the likes of me to carry on, do as we're told, give and give while others are quite willing to increase the risks intentionally because they don't like it, accuse people like me of 'loving it ' or being too scared to live, or sheep because we don't want the situation to get worse, because we're only just surviving.

It doesn't matter how done we are with covid, clearly it's not done with us yet.

Shamelessly quoting for this echo chamber of tantrums.

The I’m done brigade think they have a choice in the matter which makes reading these threads just so infuriating. They’re like petulant kids.

Refusal to acknowledge the novel airborne virus that kills and disables many. Failure to take proactive preventative mitigation measures.

That is why sadly we're still in this mess. Why we're not yet 'done' with it. Or rather, why Covid isn't yet done with us.

Masks, good ventilation (including HEPA filters), vaccines (and vaccine passes). Much better than lockdowns. Of course if things get wildly out of hand, lockdowns are needed but it's always best to try to avoid the need.

As for the future. Well it won't always be like this. Possibly we'll need tweaked vaccines and/or annual boosters (no big deal, just like yearly flu). And we need to get the rest of the world vaccinated.

But we'll also have more drug treatments in the future. Wider availability of the anti virals and the monoclonal antibodies. Possibly other new drugs too.

We'll have a better arsenal to fight Covid in the future. Vaccinated populations, drug treatments, and more knowledge.

No one expects it to go away, people expected that after the elderly and vulnerable (98.8% of Covid deaths) are double vaccinated that we can treat it like any other virus/illness, accept the risk, accept people die and get on with our fucking lives.

Look I understand the frustration but any expectation we could predict the course this virus would take is naive. Three weeks to flatten the curve was a lie, the government knew it was a lie, anyone with Google knew it was a lie, we were always going to be dealing with this virus for a few years. The government only lied to to coax people through it and avoid this foot stamping frustration, as someone said earlier in the thread we just have to adjust our thinking.

Until Omicron life was getting back to normal, it's frustrating for many of us that after two years, so many people don't understand, even with a high survival rate, if lots if people get ill and can't work at the same time then we are in trouble. If the CFR for this variant is half what is was for Delta but it is much more transmissible then we will still have more people needing hospital treatment than for delta. Refusing to take action to mitigate the spread because the government should fund the health service better is no good to us right at this moment. Getting on with it means people dying without any care to mitigate their suffering.

There are no go choices here just a range of options from which we must pick the last worst.

Here is a good interview with Sunetra Gupta who is an infectious disease epidemiologist and a professor of theoretical epidemiology at the Department of Zoology, University of Oxford. She has performed research on the transmission dynamics of various infectious diseases, including malaria, influenza and COVID-19, and has received the Scientific Medal of the Zoological Society of London. She said the following: "“It’s not sensible to think of these vaccines as giving us herd immunity against transmission in the way that measles vaccines can do. So I think we’re going to have to rely on naturally acquired herd immunity in combination with vaccine induced protection.... All we can do with this vaccine at the moment is protect those who are vulnerable...I don’t think we should be vaccinating everybody. I think we should rely on a combination of focused protection through vaccination and naturally acquired immunity...But generally speaking, where we end up is at that threshold, which is an equilibrium state where infections neither growth nor decline, except in some sort of seasonal way, which is just a sort of bobbing up and down around equilibrium."https://dryburgh.com/sunetra-gupta-i-dont-think-we-should-be-vaccinating-everybody/

What kind of validation do you want?

My cancer surgery has twice been cancelled because of covid: once because of staff shortages and once because a member of my household had covid symptoms which include every cold bug symptom under the sun, especially in winter.

I appreciate you're sick of restrictions, OP, but if you and people like you just keep your mask on in the supermarket, at school pickup or in shops, for a bit longer, we can take the pressure off the NHS and I can get my fucking surgery.

You think you're "having a wobble"? I'm scared for my life.

"Its just a mask"
"Its just a booster"
"Its just another few restrictions"

It astonishes and frightens me how people are willing to put up with low level restrictions on their lives, freedom and choice.

People were dying by tens of thousands over the years due to flu, NHS on its knees every winter due to cuts ...but were weren't being guilt tripped and coerced into to wear masks to go into shops, jabs to go abroad, signing into pubs, following the arrows on the floor, list goes on.

The ever changing goal posts this past 2 year have taught these people nothing.
I can only assume these lockdown/mask wearing lovers have shared in the vaccines companies along with our government.

I'm actually not anti mask and I'm not anti vaccine. I respect social distancing, hand gelling and mask wearing and continued wearing a mask indoors and on transport when restrictions were loosened.

I am anti testing though. I need to do them a lot and I find them really really painful.

It pisses me off that I follow all the rules and get all my jabs but still have to be tested this frequently when other people dont respect the rules but havent yet had to do a single test. I'm pissed off that loads of people seem to have mask exemptions. Considering I find the tests so painful can I get a test exemption?

I'm just bitching because I'm tired and fed up and probably slightly depressed

@MrsHastingslikethebattle

"Its just a mask" "Its just a booster" "Its just another few restrictions"

It astonishes and frightens me how people are willing to put up with low level restrictions on their lives, freedom and choice.

People were dying by tens of thousands over the years due to flu, NHS on its knees every winter due to cuts ...but were weren't being guilt tripped and coerced into to wear masks to go into shops, jabs to go abroad, signing into pubs, following the arrows on the floor, list goes on.

The ever changing goal posts this past 2 year have taught these people nothing.
I can only assume these lockdown/mask wearing lovers have shared in the vaccines companies along with our government.

Oh god, the endless selfish moaning. No wonder they’re on here all the time, who else would listen to them in real life?

@TheHairyFrog

My cancer surgery has twice been cancelled because of covid: once because of staff shortages and once because a member of my household had covid symptoms which include every cold bug symptom under the sun, especially in winter.

I appreciate you're sick of restrictions, OP, but if you and people like you just keep your mask on in the supermarket, at school pickup or in shops, for a bit longer, we can take the pressure off the NHS and I can get my fucking surgery.

You think you're "having a wobble"? I'm scared for my life.

The problem is people not wearing masks in supermarkets, its cuts to our NHS over the years that have resulted in this. Stopping your cancer operation because someone in your house hold had Covid? They were more concerned in you transmitting a virus which gives over 90% of people a bad cold than give you your cancer operation?

That's the government who has made the decision to put Covid above everything else, no one elses.

@Maverickess

I'm done with it too, it's in (or rather on) my face every day I'm at work. I'm done with getting dressed up like an extra from a nuclear war film to deliver personal care, I'm done with my face itching and a sore throat from wearing a mask for between 8 and 14 hours a day in a warm environment while doing a physical job. I'm sick of dry and cracked hands from the endless handwashing and sanitising. I'm sick of being moaned at by people who don't want to wear a mask, don't want to wear PPE to see their relatives and think somehow, shouting at me will change that. I'm sick of being told to mind my own business when I ask that someone doesn't hug or kiss their loved one because it's safer for them, the other residents and me and the rest of the staff, because apparently me catching covid, or caring for a unit full of covid positive residents, taking it home to my family and also informing loved ones that their family is sick/dying/dead over the phone is none of my business and an acceptable price to pay for a hug and a kiss. I don't really want to be holding the hands of those dying from covid either, done with that. I'm sick of 3 X covid tests a week (now four). I'm sick of doing all that for minimum wage.

But what I'm really sick of is people expecting the likes of me to carry on, do as we're told, give and give while others are quite willing to increase the risks intentionally because they don't like it, accuse people like me of 'loving it ' or being too scared to live, or sheep because we don't want the situation to get worse, because we're only just surviving.

It doesn't matter how done we are with covid, clearly it's not done with us yet.

Well said and thank you

My heart is breaking at what we are facing, yet again. In particular the impact on livelihoods and mental health

But it's just simply just not about being DONE or not. You don't get to decide the bigger picture

Its just a mask
Its just a booster
Its just another few restrictions

Masks and boosters are not restrictions. They are sensible mitigations - basic infection control - that, if adhered to well - help reduce the need for restrictions.

"It's just a seat belt"
"It's just a child seat"
"It's just a drink drive limit"
"It's your annual flu jab appointment".

Life is full of mitigations. And life goes on as normal. Because of those mitigations.

Absolutely well said @Maverickess. You do a fantastic job which is underpaid and wearing full PPE all day must be so difficult.
Wearing a mask whilst popping to Tesco or whatever for those who can is no hardship.

@MrsHastingslikethebattle

"Its just a mask" "Its just a booster" "Its just another few restrictions"

It astonishes and frightens me how people are willing to put up with low level restrictions on their lives, freedom and choice.

People were dying by tens of thousands over the years due to flu, NHS on its knees every winter due to cuts ...but were weren't being guilt tripped and coerced into to wear masks to go into shops, jabs to go abroad, signing into pubs, following the arrows on the floor, list goes on.

The ever changing goal posts this past 2 year have taught these people nothing.
I can only assume these lockdown/mask wearing lovers have shared in the vaccines companies along with our government.

Oh yes, whatever happened to the flu?

@keepOutOfTheFridgeDerek

I agree with you. But you'll get lots of hateful replies here from people who believe any kind of shit as long as it's on the news or from the government. But on here if you argue against the narrative, you'll be labelled a conspiracy theorist. Although really a 'conspiracy theorist' is actually just someone who questions shit they've been told. IMO the stupid ones are those who just accept what they are told, do what they are told and never questioned the insanity of this situation.

Yes!

@DismantledKing yeah I'm utterly selfish.

I mean all these people who's mental health, businesses, childhoods, education and livelihoods have been shattered over the last 2 years, I mean who gives a shit about them?

Who cares if most of them just get mild symptoms or a bad flu, let's keep everything on hold until everyone gets their 50th booster jab.

Go back to your laptop in your jamas working from home while your other lives are being destroyed.