To think we soon won’t be isolating even when we have covid.

[Grida]

If covid is spreading as rapidly as it seems to be, surely people who have tested positive but who don’t have symptoms/aren’t feeling ill will have to carry on working. The country will stop functioning otherwise.

@CoffeeMuggins

What do we expect the vulnerable to do when this happens? Stay inside forever or gamble with their lives every time they need to go to work or pop to the shops?

The vulnerable have been vaccinated and boosted. That whole point of the vaccine programme was to protect them!

Of course there are those that are immuno-compromised, for whom Covid remain a threat, but I don't see how artificially suppressing Covid to moderate levels really improves anything - it just strings things out. Arguably letting omicron move through will get it over with faster, and those who are CEV will need to "shield" for less time.

[quote aliceca]@Awalkintime exactly. Lets face it most people don't give a fuck about ill and disabled kids anyway.[/quote]
You seem to have a real chip on your shoulder as though you are humanitarian of the year. Look, maybe you are, if so, great. In the meantime, other people are allowed to not want their lives ravaged by restrictions. Their mental health destroyed by a virus that is going nowhere. Their children’s life chances destroyed by a disrupted education. Their contact with their lives one limited. The restriction will kill more people in the long run than Covid itself, through economic damage, mental health issues and children falling behind.
Does your concern only stretch to the mass hype that you see and hear now or does the bigger picture impact which will be bigger than Covid also concern you. If not, then you are not the caring, sharing type that you are making out to be. You just like to signal that you are worried about protecting people.

I love a straw man argument!

@Duopuss81

I love a straw man argument!

Ding ding, round one!

@Londoncallingme

Wow! Can’t believe how selfish these comments are! So knowing you are infectious with a virus that will kill elderly and vulnerable, you’d like to go out because you get bored? You are disgraceful, utterly selfish and disgraceful.

There's no "will kill" about it. It didn't kill my elderly GP nor my vulnerable mother. My friend's ecv father caught a cold and a subsequent chest infection & complications and died in 2017. We didn't all isolate then.

"Might make more ill." And also might not. Especially if fully vaccinated.

I thought this kind of bogeyman fear was over with.

Honestly,if you go around shouting that "it will kill the elderly" you're part of the health anxiety problem.

I think there’s a fair fee on here that I expect to see nominated for the Pride of Britain award next year. Because listening to them calling everyone else selfish, stupid, thickos shows how superior and caring they are. Because their opinion is the only that matters and of course they are the progressive, enlightened ones. Please just have you award now, your greatness must rewarded immediately.

Londoncallingme
You know this of MOST schools or just your own child's or have you been reading the Daily Fail a little bit too much. Stop believing that tripe!

@JaneTheVirgin

The flu doesn't kill anywhere near as many people as covid, and doesn't require anywhere near as many hospital stays. I have no idea why people still keep pedaling this 'its just a flu!' lie.

It was more than "just the flu" before the vaccine. Now it's on a par, if you're fully Vaccinated and boosted that is.

MeredithGreyishblue
Would you say the same about a rational fear another animal had? Say a deer who ran away from a fox every time it saw one - would you say they needed their fear treating? Mental health issues have a root cause in trauma it is a natural normal reaction to an abnormal situation.

It is mocking when it is only dished out to one side yet supportive of the other side.

@MeredithGreyishblue Exactly. I think that short term the thing that is most likely to be a problem for the elderly and vulnerable is NHS short staffing caused by needless isolation rules. Long term there will be serious issues when new doctors whose education, medical degrees, hospital placements etc were massively disrupted due to the lockdowns and school closures.

@DoraTheScottishExplorer

I think *@Bagelsandbrie* has nailed if I had cancer I would rather see the doctor with covid and possibly catch it than delay treatment and it potentially be to late by that point and definitely die.

That’s not a sensible analogy - would you rather be an elderly person in a queue with a person with covid, and die, or without covid (bacause infectious person has isolated) and live. Could you people really go out, into shops, on busses, knowing that you are carrying an infectious virus that can kill people? I honestly don’t know how you could or would want to do that, I just don’t get it. To say that teachers should be in school when they have covid, potentially infecting 30 children who will infect their families - some of whom will be vulnerable? And that’s ok?

@Awalkintime

Londoncallingme You know this of MOST schools or just your own child's or have you been reading the Daily Fail a little bit too much. Stop believing that tripe!

Yes, most schools. I have one in private and one in state and saw the shocking difference. So I started investigating, asking people their experiences, listening to radio discussions. The private schools streamed the lessons live, stuck to timetables and taught the children. The state schools emailed a batch of planning and did zero face to face. It was a disgrace.

But people do this every day, in every society, since the year dot, in various ways. We as a society drive cars, eat meat, overlook desperate poverty and inequality etc.

I’d be surprised if something I’ve done in the past hasn’t somehow negatively effected someone, possibly severely. I don’t get why it only becomes an issue when it’s covid related.

@Awalkintime

MeredithGreyishblue Would you say the same about a rational fear another animal had? Say a deer who ran away from a fox every time it saw one - would you say they needed their fear treating? Mental health issues have a root cause in trauma it is a natural normal reaction to an abnormal situation.

It is mocking when it is only dished out to one side yet supportive of the other side.

Is the other option banning foxes? Even in situations where they'll do no harm?

Sorry, was replying to @Londoncallingme there

Londoncallingme

So you saw two examples and then decided that meant most were the same. What in depth research you did! ha ha!

I'll not tell you what state schools were doing if you have no idea you clearly have an issue with them but you are comparing apples and oranges. Someone with any ounce of intellect would know that after almost 2 years. So did you contact the school and ask for more? Did you ask for targets? Where to find additional support? Examples? Or did you just sit with radio silence seething and expecting to be spoon-fed?

can we start doing this tomorrow for gods sake

Could you people really go out, into shops, on busses, knowing that you are carrying an infectious virus that can kill people?

Did you go out with a cold before 2020? How could you go put with a cold knowing it could kill someone?? And before you say anything a common or garden cold nearly killed my son as it exacerbated his asthma to the point where the doctors were discussing putting him on life support. A common or garden cold could kill someone with a poor/no immune system.
There have always been people that are vulnerable to illnesses most would shake off.

MeredithGreyishblue
My comment was not about locking down but about laughing and taking the piss about people who say they are scared which is what you justified as 'helping' but yet wouldn't do it to those who aren't vulnerable.

Carry on mocking and justifying it but then I will carry on calling those people out as disgusting.

My mum has COPD. We have to stay away and risk assess if one of us has a cold as it can be so bad for her. We have done exactly the same with covid. If a LFT shows a problem, if someone feels unwell them we avoid her until we feel better. The risk is always there for her. However outside of our own wariness she would rather us visit when we want and her grandchildren have their lives. She suffered in lovkdown and staying home has made her more poorly not less because.

@DoraTheScottishExplorer that's a bit irksome to read - as someone who is going through treatment for cancer through this pandemic I can tell you that the only time my treatment has felt threatened is when hospitals were on the brink of being overwhelmed, so urgent surgery was being cancelled because of lack of ICU bed availability, ie because too many members of the public were very sick with covid, not because of staff isolating. (Also some medical work can be done remotely and plenty of my care has been delivered this way.)

My understanding is that we have all been going through covid restrictions to try to prevent hospital overwhelm, not to protect "the vulnerable" (important though I personally think that is) unless by the vulnerable we mean anyone who might need urgent care in a hospital in the near future, which could be any of us!?!

@firef1y

Could you people really go out, into shops, on busses, knowing that you are carrying an infectious virus that can kill people?

Did you go out with a cold before 2020? How could you go put with a cold knowing it could kill someone?? And before you say anything a common or garden cold nearly killed my son as it exacerbated his asthma to the point where the doctors were discussing putting him on life support. A common or garden cold could kill someone with a poor/no immune system.
There have always been people that are vulnerable to illnesses most would shake off.

Exactly and we can’t vaccinate the vulnerable against a common cold in the way we can with Covid, and yet people are still happy to go out and about with a cold knowing that for a very small minority of people it could make them seriously unwell or even kill them.

Of course (replying to @Londoncallingme now) not one elderly or vulnerable person would choose to be in a queue with someone who has covid but the alternative - to keep isolating those who have tested positive- is causing elderly and vulnerable people all sorts of difficulties and complications in other ways - delays to non covid healthcare being a huge issue because NHS staff are isolating when they’re otherwise “well”.

I have friends with the same health condition as me (well one of them; lupus) which can be fatal in its extreme form and many of them are now waiting 2 years to see their rheumatologists because covid has pushed their appointments back so many times! They are more likely to die of lupus related complications than covid at this stage (vast majority triple jabbed).

It really is extremely frustrating to be one of the “must be protected at all costs” vulnerable when people don’t actually understand what it’s like to be one of us!

@Tumbleweed101

My mum has COPD. We have to stay away and risk assess if one of us has a cold as it can be so bad for her. We have done exactly the same with covid. If a LFT shows a problem, if someone feels unwell them we avoid her until we feel better. The risk is always there for her. However outside of our own wariness she would rather us visit when we want and her grandchildren have their lives. She suffered in lovkdown and staying home has made her more poorly not less because.

Exactly the same with my mother, and she too has COPD.

The numbers are ridiculous at the mo. In this scenario it’ll be back to herd immunity. We might have vaccines but they aren’t the silver bullet we thought they would be. More cases could lead to new variants that find their way around the vaccine and we’d be back to square one. We could just simply be in a wash rinse repeat situation

Can’t believe how selfish these comments are! So knowing you are infectious with a virus that will kill elderly and vulnerable, you’d like to go out because you get bored? You are disgraceful, utterly selfish and disgraceful

No, the virus WILL not kill elderly and vulnerable, especially if they're vaccinated. It raises their risk but does not necessarily kill them!

And no, most people don't want to go out because they're bored

Have you considered the effects of restrictions on people's mental health, on our children's education and life chances, on people's livelihoods, on our economy etc etc? There are more reasons than 'being bored'!